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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And gay citizens want to impose their morals that their is nothing wrong with their behavior and that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality. They want to impose that the state that both they and the heterosexuals live in must grant them equal marital status to a heterosexual married couple.
    If there was a movement to make state recognition of hetero sexual marriage illegal you would have an argument.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

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    What? You don't think basic civil rights of a minority should be decided with a 50.1% vote from the majority? That's outrageous I tell you!
    Yes, we obviously need politicians and judges to tell us right from wrong. One man, one vote? NO thank you sir! Ironically these are the same people complaining about nanny government out the other side of their mouths.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You are literally arguing semantics with this "positive declaration" thing. It may not have said "no gays can marry" but that's exactly what the effect was and that's exactly what the intent was.
    It's not the same. If you claim that gays are being denied the right to marry, then you pre-suppose a right which doesn't exist. Gay marriage has never, ever, ever been accepted by any society anywhere ... except for a tiny percentage of notable exceptions. This isn't about love between two men IMNSHO. It's about the fact that a small percentage of the population which doesn't know what to do with a johnson is trying to inflict their perverse lifestyle on the rest of society.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And gay citizens want to impose their morals that their is nothing wrong with their behavior and that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality. They want to impose that the state that both they and the heterosexuals live in must grant them equal marital status to a heterosexual married couple.
    But nothing is wrong with their morals.

    Most that believe that, base their beliefs on cherry-picking lines of scripture from a western mythology. They filtered these lines through their own fears and insecurities and it comes out as homophobia-- fear-based bigotry of homosexuals.

    The rest that don't yet accept homosexuality as a hard-wired personality trait, are just "old fashioned" and don't really know any homosexuals. They will soon die (relatively soon) and the next generation will be more enlightened. And the generation after that even more so.

    Twenty years from now, we'll look back on Prop 8 the same way we look back on segregation--backwards thinking.

    Same-sex attraction is as natural as being left-handed. Legislating against it is immoral. Period.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    It's not the same. If you claim that gays are being denied the right to marry, then you pre-suppose a right which doesn't exist. Gay marriage has never, ever, ever been accepted by any society anywhere ... except for a tiny percentage of notable exceptions. This isn't about love between two men IMNSHO. It's about the fact that a small percentage of the population which doesn't know what to do with a johnson is trying to inflict their perverse lifestyle on the rest of society.
    Except that the lifting the ban on gay marriage doesn't come with a mandate that you don't have to get gay married. That would be the only way anything were inflicted upon you. You want to sit here and bitch and moan about something being inflicted on you yet, at the same time, you want to sit here and discuss it ad naseum under your own free will.

    But sure...if you want to go to your wife and say, "Honey, I think our marriage is going to be devalued if the homos down the street are married...my marriage to you is going to mean a little less because I know those guys are doing the dirty monkey and that's all I think about when I think of our marriage now"...well you go right ahead. I am sure that's gonna make her feel like she's married to a real man there.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am sure that's gonna make her feel like she's married to a real man there.
    Considering the alternatives ...


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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Considering the alternatives ...

    I know....this is so much more attractive....

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    It's not the same. If you claim that gays are being denied the right to marry, then you pre-suppose a right which doesn't exist. Gay marriage has never, ever, ever been accepted by any society anywhere ... except for a tiny percentage of notable exceptions. This isn't about love between two men IMNSHO. It's about the fact that a small percentage of the population which doesn't know what to do with a johnson is trying to inflict their perverse lifestyle on the rest of society.
    Hahahahahah ok chief. Marriage isn't about love? Those "perverse" gays don't have sex already, they need this marriage thing to do that! You think homosexuality is an abomination against God or whatever. We get it. Since we're using some book you read as a basis for laws now, can we do Sharia law too? Maybe bring back stoning, there's bits about that in both your book and theirs!

    Can you tell me on which day you decided to be attracted to women?

    Oh, and who the **** do you think you are to tell two people that their desire for marriage isn't about love?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Hahahahahah ok chief. Marriage isn't about love? Those "perverse" gays don't have sex already, they need this marriage thing to do that! You think homosexuality is an abomination against God or whatever. We get it.
    Obviously not. You can't conceive of someone who is anti-GM on the basis of anything other than the Bible. You know nothing about me yet don't hesitate to pigeonhole me with your prejudiced ideas.

    Since we're using some book you read as a basis for laws now, can we do Sharia law too? Maybe bring back stoning, there's bits about that in both your book and theirs!

    Can you tell me on which day you decided to be attracted to women?

    Oh, and who the **** do you think you are to tell two people that their desire for marriage isn't about love?
    Who's stopping two men from loving each other? Certainly not me. But don't try to force me to call it a marriage, because it isn't one.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Obviously not. You can't conceive of someone who is anti-GM on the basis of anything other than the Bible. You know nothing about me yet don't hesitate to pigeonhole me with your prejudiced ideas.
    OK, so you are against gay marriage without even the excuse of your religion to fall back on. We get that.

    Who's stopping two men from loving each other? Certainly not me. But don't try to force me to call it a marriage, because it isn't one.
    You don't have to call it anything. No one is gonna come through and shock you with a taser every time you say marriage and don't make a point of acknowledging homos with it. No one really gives a flying rat's ass what you personally define marriage as. The only thing anyone cares about here is what the law says and how it treats citizens.

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