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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

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    Oh thank God a conservative who is actually consistent with his views. *hugs TurtleDude* I was starting to think you people were a myth!
    straight but not narrow. I just cannot see how my marriage to my wife is in any way negatively affected by two gays being married. One of the most prominent arguments raised against gays (especially during the AIDS crisis) was the promiscuity of gay men seen as a major cause of the mutation that lead to the HIV or Aids. Yet, now people whine about a vehicle that may promote monagamous relationships between gays. Go figure



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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Ever hear the phrase "tyranny of the majority"?

    The idea that every judicial decision that we disagree with is "activist judges" or "legislating from the bench" is just silly.
    This could be tyranny of the majority by the minority through the courts. If there really was a legal issue then why did they vote on it in the first place? Why didn't the whistle blowers see their arguments in prop 8 before it was voted on? Honestly I believe they hoped to pass gay marriage in a fairly socially liberal state like California. When that failed they went to plan B which is taking it to court. I agree that not every judicial decision is activist judging or legislating from the bench, but this (and the Arizona Law's possible law suit) are both prime examples of that. The lawsuit has an agenda behind it, and because plan A failed they must go to plan B. It doesn't matter what the voters think, it only matters what those with a socially liberal agenda want.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    straight but not narrow. I just cannot see how my marriage to my wife is in any way negatively affected by two gays being married. One of the most prominent arguments raised against gays (especially during the AIDS crisis) was the promiscuity of gay men seen as a major cause of the mutation that lead to the HIV or Aids. Yet, now people whine about a vehicle that may promote monagamous relationships between gays. Go figure
    Counterpoint:
    YouTube - Proposition 8 Commercial
    Marriage without babies? The children couldn't possibly understand! They're too stupid and always will be!

    The Yes-on-8 ads make my ****ing stomach turn.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    This could be tyranny of the majority by the minority through the courts. If there really was a legal issue then why did they vote on it in the first place? Why didn't the whistle blowers see their arguments in prop 8 before it was voted on? Honestly I believe they hoped to pass gay marriage in a fairly socially liberal state like California. When that failed they went to plan B which is taking it to court. I agree that not every judicial decision is activist judging or legislating from the bench, but this (and the Arizona Law's possible law suit) are both prime examples of that. The lawsuit has an agenda behind it, and because plan A failed they must go to plan B. It doesn't matter what the voters think, it only matters what those with a socially liberal agenda want.
    You are spinning conspiracy theories now. It is nothing new or improper to have new laws tested in the courts.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are spinning conspiracy theories now. It is nothing new or improper to have new laws tested in the courts.
    It isn't anything new, but it isn't right. In my opinion it's just a plan B. Either the voters can approve of gay marriage, or they can have it shoved down their throats against their will. I also think it's hypocritical for them to take this to court in the first place.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Counterpoint:
    YouTube - Proposition 8 Commercial
    Marriage without babies? The children couldn't possibly understand! They're too stupid and always will be!

    The Yes-on-8 ads make my ****ing stomach turn.
    Has anyone ever asked them whether or not a hetero-sexual couple that is unable to have babies should be allowed to marry? I'd like to see them try to wiggle out of that one.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It isn't anything new, but it isn't right. In my opinion it's just a plan B. Either the voters can approve of gay marriage, or they can have it shoved down their throats against their will. I also think it's hypocritical for them to take this to court in the first place.
    It is a plan B. If it was not necessary to take to court, why would you. It proved necessary. If the courts decide prop 8 is unlawful, that is no more "shoving it down your throats" than any other such court ruling.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It isn't anything new, but it isn't right. In my opinion it's just a plan B. Either the voters can approve of gay marriage, or they can have it shoved down their throats against their will. I also think it's hypocritical for them to take this to court in the first place.
    So you hold the opinion that civil liberties of a minority group should be decided by majority vote. Got it.

    The people voted to take away rights. **** what they think.

    edit: And I love the freudian implications of people always using the phrase "shoved down our throats" when it comes to same-sex marriage.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It isn't anything new, but it isn't right. In my opinion it's just a plan B. Either the voters can approve of gay marriage, or they can have it shoved down their throats against their will. I also think it's hypocritical for them to take this to court in the first place.
    why should gays have heterosexual marriage shoved down their throats?

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is a plan B. If it was not necessary to take to court, why would you. It proved necessary. If the courts decide prop 8 is unlawful, that is no more "shoving it down your throats" than any other such court ruling.
    It would be shoving down socially liberal morals down everyone's throat in California. My state passed an amendment that is almost identical to Prop 8. No one found it to be illegal, is my state's amendment illegal? The fact is that people in California voted on this as many other states have done. They make a legal declaration that marriage in that state is between one man and one woman. To turn this around and go "yeah you voted, but we didn't like the outcome. Your opinion is illegal and even though we had an election like other states did, you are just going to have to live with gay marriage."
    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So you hold the opinion that civil liberties of a minority group should be decided by majority vote. Got it.

    The people voted to take away rights. **** what they think.

    edit: And I love the freudian implications of people always using the phrase "shoved down our throats" when it comes to same-sex marriage.
    homosexuals are not a minority group. They are as much a minority group as guys who have different fetishes. Homosexuality is a sexual preference/orientation. It's not a religion or race. Sexual practices do not constitute a minority group.

    The people voted to define marriage in their state. The ballot did not say "no gays are allowed to marry." There was no taking away privileges, but rather a declaration of what marriage is. It was a positive action (defining marriage) not a negative action (removing a gay's right to marry). If prop 8 said "homosexual marriages cannot happen" then you would be right in saying people voted to take away what you consider to be "rights" away from homosexuals.

    Honestly I find this all entirely hypocritical. One of the major arguments or the pro-gay marriage crowd is that "no one has the right to impose their morals on another." Basically meaning Christians and social conservatives have no right to say gays can't marry because it isn't their life to run. However, It's completely ok to do the same thing only in reverse. It's ok to go to the majority and the voters and impose socially liberal morality upon people who as a state, rejected it. They are imposing socially liberal morals on a state and essentially doing the thing that they claim to hate and use in their arguments.
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