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    Re: Joe Barton retracts apology to BP

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    A lot of throat clearing and jerking off, but nobody has addressed Turtle Dude's analysis with anything resembling substance.

    Rule of law?
    Or... as we have today...

    ... Ruse of law.

    .
    turtle's position is a clueless one. he is unable to articulate any rule of law which has been violated
    there is no legal analysis. there is unfounded, ridiculous opinion
    one would think an attorney seeking prosecution could identify what laws have been broken
    but he cannot
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    Re: Joe Barton retracts apology to BP

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    turtle's position is a clueless one. he is unable to articulate any rule of law which has been violated
    there is no legal analysis. there is unfounded, ridiculous opinion
    one would think an attorney seeking prosecution could identify what laws have been broken
    but he cannot
    The laws will be broken when the money goes everywhere, but where it's supposed to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Joe Barton retracts apology to BP

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The ones in that little piece of paper we call the Constitution.

    Everyone is entitled to their day in court prior to declaring guilt. You, I, and everyone on this forum may believe that BP is liable for damages, but it is not legal nor ethical for individuals or our government to be making deals when negligence or illegality has not been established. If the federal government wants to insure that losses will be covered for those who will be losing income, then they should set aside funding for that, just as they funded the losses in hurricane Katrina. They should also have had the foresight to increase liability caps on businesses to keep up with current monetary rates of inflation and cost of living. BP or any other business in the oil industry is legally liable for 75 million dollars plus the costs of clean-up until negligence or breaking regulatory standards has been legally established.
    you have yet to identify what aspect of the law has been violated by this administration. all you have spouted is nonsense
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    Re: Joe Barton retracts apology to BP

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well to address this in the light of what is actually happening.

    BP has already been paying claims, without the need of this fund.
    They're way behind the demand. People and businesses have bills piling up with no income. BP is not set up to do this kind of thing. To say they were "forced" by the president to put that $20B in escrow is being very disingenuous of the big picture.

    BP knows and admitted they caused this disaster and are responsible for it. They know if they drag their feet on these payments they won't be allowed to drill in U.S. waters for a very, very long time.

    All you right wingers make me laugh. You bitch and whine because "Obama hasn't done anything" and "Obama isn't acting presidential" and all that other crap. Yet, when he takes a stand and convinces BP that it would be in their best interests to put not $10B, but twice that amount, in an escrow fund that can be administered by a professional with a bunch of experience in doing so, you cry like a bunch of babies accusing him of overstepping his power. WTF?

    You can't have it both ways.

    The truth is that you're all pissed because he took such a strong action and basically took all the wind out of Repubs' sails. Now, your only position is to defend big oil. No wonder you're all so po'd.

    Be careful what you wish for.

    With so much to lose on their end, do you honestly think they won't pay the share of costs they are responsible for?
    Their reputation precedes them. If those people had to wait for the courts to decide on things many of them would lose their businesses, their homes and probably go bankrupt. It seems none of you rightees care about that. But, you're more than ready to take arms to defend every legal right of the responsible party here. Whose ****ing side are you on anyway?

    Like I said, this will speed up payments and make them look better in those people's eyes who they have hurt. They need to do whatever they can to help their image. This is a big step in doing that.

    They also know that regulations are going to be tightened up after this. The more they can point back to how they helped resolve this crisis, they more chances they think they might be able to get some regs not tightened as much as would happen if they hadn't bent over backwards to help injured parties.

    Kudos to Obama for getting this done.
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    President Obama will rank as one of our greatest presidents!

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    Re: Joe Barton retracts apology to BP

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The laws will be broken when the money goes everywhere, but where it's supposed to.
    you must be chiming in late as your post does not follow
    the assertion has been made that Obama's administration has been in violation of the law and has shaken down BP
    an assertion which is not backed by any evidence or a point of law for which the administration is guilty of violating
    in short, the wingers do not like it that Obama realized a substantial political coup when he was able to convince BP that they need to pony up funds now to pay for the first $20 billion of damages they have caused
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    Re: Joe Barton retracts apology to BP

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you must be chiming in late as your post does not follow
    the assertion has been made that Obama's administration has been in violation of the law and has shaken down BP
    an assertion which is not backed by any evidence or a point of law for which the administration is guilty of violating
    in short, the wingers do not like it that Obama realized a substantial political coup when he was able to convince BP that they need to pony up funds now to pay for the first $20 billion of damages they have caused
    Perhaps you should actually read my post, then comment upon it.

    the wingers do not like it that Obama realized a substantial political coup when he was able to convince BP that they need to pony up funds now to pay for the first $20 billion of damages they have caused
    Now? You are aware that the money will be paid in increments, over three years. Yes? That's a long time to wait to get relief money. I don't know of a bill collector that will give you three years, before he repo's your ****. A, "coup"? Hardly, sir!

    Three years is plenty of time for this money to get lost in the mix and be re-routed to union bailouts, campaign financing, turtle tunnels and other **** that Leftists like to waste money on.

    There's a specific pattern that I see with Liberals. They don't understand that just because something is the legal thing to do, doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Joe Barton retracts apology to BP

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Perhaps you should actually read my post, then comment upon it.



    Now? You are aware that the money will be paid in increments, over three years. Yes? That's a long time to wait to get relief money. I don't know of a bill collector that will give you three years, before he repo's your ****. A, "coup"? Hardly, sir!

    Three years is plenty of time for this money to get lost in the mix and be re-routed to union bailouts, campaign financing, turtle tunnels and other **** that Leftists like to waste money on.

    There's a specific pattern that I see with Liberals. They don't understand that just because something is the legal thing to do, doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do.
    and it appears you are without an understanding of fundamental financial matters

    those who are victims of this tragedy will be able to file claims as soon as the apparatus for processing those claims is pulled together
    the payout cannot be immediate because the infrastructure to commence processing the claims is not in place

    once the claims are processed those claims will be paid out of the monies BP has escrowed for this purpose
    if the amount of the claims exceeds the amount BP has paid in, but does not exceed $20 billion, then the government can step in and provide the capital until BP makes its next deposit into the escrow account

    see how it will work
    seems that is the problem for those of you who would want to disparage Obama. he has effected an interim solution for those now adversely impacted by the BP accident

    if this were the shrub his "solution" would be to 'cut taxes' and to begin another war to jump start the economy
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    Re: Joe Barton retracts apology to BP

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and it appears you are without an understanding of fundamental financial matters

    those who are victims of this tragedy will be able to file claims as soon as the apparatus for processing those claims is pulled together
    the payout cannot be immediate because the infrastructure to commence processing the claims is not in place

    once the claims are processed those claims will be paid out of the monies BP has escrowed for this purpose
    if the amount of the claims exceeds the amount BP has paid in, but does not exceed $20 billion, then the government can step in and provide the capital until BP makes its next deposit into the escrow account

    see how it will work
    seems that is the problem for those of you who would want to disparage Obama. he has effected an interim solution for those now adversely impacted by the BP accident

    if this were the shrub his "solution" would be to 'cut taxes' and to begin another war to jump start the economy

    Oh, I see. They can file claims now, but may not see their money for years. How is that going to help anyone, again?

    Not surprise with the GWB whine fest at the end.

    Bush isn't even prez and he's making your boy look like an idiot, everyday. I know, that must really sting the Obama-bots, bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Joe Barton retracts apology to BP

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, I see. They can file claims now, but may not see their money for years. How is that going to help anyone, again?

    Not surprise with the GWB whine fest at the end.

    Bush isn't even prez and he's making your boy look like an idiot, everyday. I know, that must really sting the Obama-bots, bad.
    the victims of the BP accident can file claims as soon as the claims procedure is in place
    it should become available soon, but since BP only recently agreed to escrow the $20 billion that claims process system is not yet in place

    once the claims system is active, those who have sustained losses will be able to get paid
    and even if they file claims for amounts greater than BP has then funded the escrow, the government can pony up the cash knowing that BP will cover those claims - for a total not to exceed $20 billion. without cost to the American tax payer

    it will NOT take years for them to file a valid claim and receive restitution from the $20 billion escrowed
    this assures that BP will cover the initial claims, at least to the amount of $20 billion

    and for some reason, those wingers - the ones who normally whine about government spending - are actually complaining because the company responsible for this maliase, BP, is stepping up and taking responsibility for the result of the calamity that oil company caused
    those wingers either would prefer the government cover the expense of those claims, or expect the claimants to realize nothing to cover their losses
    as with your posts, that makes no sense
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    Re: Joe Barton retracts apology to BP

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    They're way behind the demand. People and businesses have bills piling up with no income. BP is not set up to do this kind of thing. To say they were "forced" by the president to put that $20B in escrow is being very disingenuous of the big picture.
    Yes the demand is ahead of the supply and for good reason because a lot of that demand is fraudulent.
    I never said forced, I said it was a political stunt because BP is already paying for everything.
    I guess you never bothered to read that the $20 billion will be paid over 3 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    BP knows and admitted they caused this disaster and are responsible for it. They know if they drag their feet on these payments they won't be allowed to drill in U.S. waters for a very, very long time.
    Yea so why would a fund be necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    All you right wingers make me laugh. You bitch and whine because "Obama hasn't done anything" and "Obama isn't acting presidential" and all that other crap. Yet, when he takes a stand and convinces BP that it would be in their best interests to put not $10B, but twice that amount, in an escrow fund that can be administered by a professional with a bunch of experience in doing so, you cry like a bunch of babies accusing him of overstepping his power. WTF?

    You can't have it both ways.
    I never said a single thing about Obama "not being presidential" or "hasn't done anything."
    I rather NO politician get in the middle of the remediation effort.

    For future reference, I am center left, you and Republicans are right wing.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The truth is that you're all pissed because he took such a strong action and basically took all the wind out of Repubs' sails. Now, your only position is to defend big oil. No wonder you're all so po'd.

    Be careful what you wish for.
    It was a political stunt, which Republicans participated in.
    What are you going on about?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Their reputation precedes them. If those people had to wait for the courts to decide on things many of them would lose their businesses, their homes and probably go bankrupt. It seems none of you rightees care about that. But, you're more than ready to take arms to defend every legal right of the responsible party here. Whose ****ing side are you on anyway?
    I'm on MY side because people like yourself forget that if they can do it to BP, they can do it to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Like I said, this will speed up payments and make them look better in those people's eyes who they have hurt. They need to do whatever they can to help their image. This is a big step in doing that.
    Speed and government are two words that don't go together.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    They also know that regulations are going to be tightened up after this. The more they can point back to how they helped resolve this crisis, they more chances they think they might be able to get some regs not tightened as much as would happen if they hadn't bent over backwards to help injured parties.

    Kudos to Obama for getting this done.
    If political stunts impress you, you must be doing back flips daily.
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