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    Re: New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not a single piece eh?

    Okay, I fully realize you are going to, as usual, run away from hard questions, but here are some for others to laugh at you on when you flee:
    (if you stopped doing that, I'd stop mocking you)

    According to you, sending hundreds of billions of dollars as rebates into the economy did nothing to stimulate spending: Do you agree?
    According to you, CARS did not increase sales: Do you agree?
    According to you, Bonus Depreciation, which was IDENTICAL to Bush's program did absolutely nothing for corporate purchases: Do you agree?
    According to you, not letting GM and Chrysler go under, and thereby preventing millions from joining welfare rolls did not help the economy: Do you agree?

    That's just for starters. How about you start answering before I really start getting mean?
    It did nothing for jobs or to improve the economy. Unemployment continues to increase

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    Re: New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    There is no proof it did anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It did nothing for jobs or to improve the economy. Unemployment continues to increase
    It did not keep cut backs in the military throwing a few hundred thousand to the unemployement lines, not to mention the spinoff jobs

    It did not keep medicare and medicaid funded to continue funding providing revenues to doctors, nurses, hospitals and drug companies that would not have recieved this money

    It did not keep GM, Chrysler and the various banks in operation keeping millions employed, not to mention the spin off jobs


    What you fail to consider is how big this economic crisis was, and how much worse it could and can/will be. This is/was not an regular recession, but a debt deleveraging depression. Those are not fun, Japan is still working through theirs and have been for 20 years.
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    Re: New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post


    What you fail to consider is how big this economic crisis was, and how much worse it could and can/will be. This is/was not an regular recession, but a debt deleveraging depression. Those are not fun, Japan is still working through theirs and have been for 20 years.
    It was like Enron, as long as the stock goes up everything will be okay. It is a great time to be a bottom feeder.

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    Re: New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It was like Enron, as long as the stock goes up everything will be okay. It is a great time to be a bottom feeder.
    I agree

    The problem is of course Enron was only so big, Japan's bubble was economy wide affecting their stock market and real estate to extreme degrees

    The US bubble were not as big, but the US does not have the savings that Japan had/has to make up for the bubble bursting
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    Re: New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It did not keep cut backs in the military throwing a few hundred thousand to the unemployement lines, not to mention the spinoff jobs

    It did not keep medicare and medicaid funded to continue funding providing revenues to doctors, nurses, hospitals and drug companies that would not have recieved this money

    It did not keep GM, Chrysler and the various banks in operation keeping millions employed, not to mention the spin off jobs


    What you fail to consider is how big this economic crisis was, and how much worse it could and can/will be. This is/was not an regular recession, but a debt deleveraging depression. Those are not fun, Japan is still working through theirs and have been for 20 years.
    Which makes me wonder why it's suddenly ok to kill of the oil and gas industry, plus the spin off jobs. Things that make you go, hmm!
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    Re: New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which makes me wonder why it's suddenly ok to kill of the oil and gas industry, plus the spin off jobs. Things that make you go, hmm!
    Well

    When you have a massive oil spill that is shutting down the fishing industry, and the tourist industry over a few states, perhaps putting a hold on more drilling untill a review of the drilling regulations is completed to ensure a repeat of the problem does not occur might not be a bad thing.

    Besides the oil and gas industry is not being killed it is going strong in ND over the Bakken oil field and in NY, Pen for shale gas. Only in the area that is currently seeing a massive enviromental problem has it been put on hold

    Things that make you go hmmm, what was he smoking
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    Re: New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wait til the dems let the clinton tax hikes hit the people who create jobs. It won't hurt the dembats in 2010 but 2012 is going to be alot of fun for the party of tax hikes and income redistribution
    The Clinton tax hikes? Pray tell. Clinton has been out of office for 10 years.

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    Re: New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    There is no proof it helped. It did 2 things. Tripled the debt and expanded government. Obama did not learn from the failed policies of the great depression
    Tripled the debt? He inherited a debt of $10 trillion. Last time I checked it was not at $30 trillion.

    Please explain how we did exit the great depression...

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    Re: New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It did nothing for jobs or to improve the economy. Unemployment continues to increase
    LOL.

    "Okay, I fully realize you are going to, as usual, run away from hard questions, but here are some for others to laugh at you on when you flee:"

    And what do you do? Run away from hard questions.

    When asked to actually back up your arguments with relevant questions, you just keep going on the vague it didn't help despite obvious points it did.

    I can start getting really mean and showing everyone just how little you know. So how about you save yourself some grief and start answering?
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    Re: New jobless claims up sharply as layoffs persist

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    LOL.

    "Okay, I fully realize you are going to, as usual, run away from hard questions, but here are some for others to laugh at you on when you flee:"

    And what do you do? Run away from hard questions.

    When asked to actually back up your arguments with relevant questions, you just keep going on the vague it didn't help despite obvious points it did.

    I can start getting really mean and showing everyone just how little you know. So how about you save yourself some grief and start answering?
    Yawn.

    Talk about running and hiding.

    JFK stated the realities clearly. In recent history Reagan proved what happens when you follow that path... Or is JFK not good enough for you folks any longer?

    Obama has sprinted in the other direction, and has created confusion in the market.
    He has business owners sitting on their hands waiting out the storm.

    Was it not Obama who implored business to hire and not look at profits? Yes it was.
    He thinks jobs are social programs and businesses an extension of his government.
    Business owners see him and the Dem controlled Congress as hostile, and... will wait for safer, more sane waters.

    Government creates an environment for business to operate, and Obama's climate is scary-ugly.

    He's changed America alright, but temporarily. Once a pro-business, pro-American president is elected and can reduce burdens, we will do what we always have done. Prosper.

    Until Obama loses his job... it will be tough sledding.

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    For the individual who stated a stop of drilling might be wise.
    Obama's folks thought so highly of the idea they forged documents of 8 experts who disagreed.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...oratorium.html
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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