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    Re: Epidemic' growth of Net porn cited

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The internet is international in scope, its physically impossible to do that.



    I don't think people like you should have computers or kids either, but I don't go around asking the government enforce my values on everyone else.
    I suppose that means you are an anarchist. So you say. But if my kid robs you, I'm pretty sure you'd call the cops. So it's a matter of selective value enforcement.

    Simply put, you don't seem to have a problem with my kids being exposed to porn. Luckily, we live in a country of laws, and most people are on my side. So tough noogies. If producing a credit card is too much effort to get your jollies, well that's just too bad.

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    Re: Epidemic' growth of Net porn cited

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Be advised I'm not reading your posts. The rights of pornographers to peddle their filth mean nothing to me. A simple age verification system is the obvious solution. You get carded when you go to a bar. You get carded when you try to buy smokes. Why should the Internet be different? Really, anyone who refuses to put even the most basic safeguards on the Web (a) shouldn't have a computer, and (b) shouldn't have kids.
    The issue, here, is that they're taking two things that *don't* go together, that have no relation to each other - and then squishing them together and trying to make them look like they belong together in efforts to make a "point" or "stop something."

    Congress must ensure that obscenity laws are enforced so that children are not exposed to pornography on the Internet, researchers and advocates of Internet safety said Tuesday.
    Their point: Children can find porn on the net and watch it, some of that porn is "obscene" according to the definition of the SCOTUS' obscenity ruling - and all of it should be kept from children.

    Issue #1: Children can get on the internet - children can find porn and watch it.
    Issue #2: Some porn would be classified as obscene (2 girls 1 cup being 'extreme fetish' as opposed to soft-porn of a married couple with no genitals even being shown)

    The obscenity laws that they are demanding be enforced and adhered to have NOTHING to do with "who can access it, who can't." Obscenity laws concern *content* of porn - it doesn't mean that *all* porn is unacceptable. It just means that *some* porn is unacceptable and *some* porn shouldn't be shown or produced.

    So - even *if* these obscenity rulings of the SCOTUS is enforced and the "twisted" types of porn that are considered "obscene" are taken off the net - it would still leave all the other non-obscene porn on the net. . . see, enforcing the obscenity laws won't 'fix' children getting access to pornography.

    They need to hammer the availability and regulations concerning access - are pay sites acceptable? Must youporn and tube8 go? (please say no!) These things aren't even discussed in this article - in fact - all these anti-porn people probably don't dabble in it enough to figure out how to stop it or where it all comes from - because they're stupid enough to think that merely enforcing an obscenity law will somehow take *all* porn off the net when obviously it won't.
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    Re: Epidemic' growth of Net porn cited

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    I suppose that means you are an anarchist. So you say. But if my kid robs you, I'm pretty sure you'd call the cops. So it's a matter of selective value enforcement.

    Simply put, you don't seem to have a problem with my kids being exposed to porn. Luckily, we live in a country of laws, and most people are on my side. So tough noogies. If producing a credit card is too much effort to get your jollies, well that's just too bad.
    1) Kids have credit cards
    2) Why should sites be forced to charge people?
    3) If actually parenting your child yourself is too much effort, well that's just too bad. Maybe you should just hand them over to somebody who has more time and ability to limit internet access, and who doesn't expect other people to pick up the slack for them.

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    Re: Epidemic' growth of Net porn cited

    I suppose that means you are an anarchist. So you say. But if my kid robs you, I'm pretty sure you'd call the cops. So it's a matter of selective value enforcement.
    Of course. However, robbery is a crime that harms other people that the government has a vested interest in preventing to benefit society, while your dislike of porn is your own personal issue.


    Simply put, you don't seem to have a problem with my kids being exposed to porn. Luckily, we live in a country of laws, and most people are on my side. So tough noogies. If producing a credit card is too much effort to get your jollies, well that's just too bad.
    No they aren't. I can bring up endless amounts of free porn without credit card, age check or any nonsense in less time than it took me to type this sentence.

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    Re: Epidemic' growth of Net porn cited

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    I suppose that means you are an anarchist. So you say. But if my kid robs you, I'm pretty sure you'd call the cops. So it's a matter of selective value enforcement.

    Simply put, you don't seem to have a problem with my kids being exposed to porn. Luckily, we live in a country of laws, and most people are on my side. So tough noogies. If producing a credit card is too much effort to get your jollies, well that's just too bad.
    I decide what i want my children exposed to - no one else. I make my rules and we enforce them. I don't need the government to do it for me, I do it for my own self because that's what parents are suppose to do.
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    Re: Epidemic' growth of Net porn cited

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I guess I'm the only person who agrees that some of this material isn't fit for adults, much less for the children who will inevitably discover it. Other posters are correct in that good parenting is the best means to protect your children from pornography, but that doesn't change that some porn shouldn't exist in the first place.
    I don't disagree, I just think that the method we use to determine "obscenity" is so vague as to be almost unconstitutional.

    The only things we are able to regularly police are the things that are susceptible to bright line rules: No people under 18, no animals, no snuff films. Even in those cases, however, there are problems with application. There have been cases dealing with 18 year olds who pretend to be 12 in the videos, cartoon children, etc.

    For everything else, we're stuck with "community standards" which are just useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    You think that parents who want to protect their kids from vile porn should have their kids taken away? Or that parents should watch their kids' activities every second of every day? Hey, I've got an idea. How about we lock up all the sicko perverts on the Internet and throw away the key? Problem solved.
    And how do you define "sicko perverts"?

    My kids' right not to be exposed to sick porn trumps so-called "free speech for furries."
    If you're not advocating for the elimination of all pornography but think that "sick porn" should be banned, you need to draw a line somewhere. Where's that line?
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    Re: Epidemic' growth of Net porn cited

    Oh come on, NCIS's banter is highly entertaining.

    Plus seriously...hot goth chick and hot south american chicken acting like a hot badass israeli chick...there is nothing wrong with this.

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    Re: Epidemic' growth of Net porn cited

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh come on, NCIS's banter is highly entertaining.

    Plus seriously...hot goth chick and hot south american chicken acting like a hot badass israeli chick...there is nothing wrong with this.


    NCIS is one of the worst shows ever...


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    Re: Epidemic' growth of Net porn cited

    NCIS is one of my most favorite shows!!! STOP DISSING IT BEFORE I GO MEDIEVAL ON YOUR ASSES!

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