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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That may be how you think about this in New York City, but it isn't how we think about it in Florida:

    Gov. Crist, Senate reject bill for oil drilling off Florida coast - St. Petersburg Times

    Proposals to drill off the coast of Florida have been voted down for DECADES because of the risks. And, I've posted numerous threads on this board decrying our unhealthy addiction to oil. I would be perfectly happy if gas prices went above $5 or more a gallon, forcing Americans to begin to make necessary economic adjustments to our bad driving habits.

    p.s. The biggest supporters of cheap oil? The republicans of course. DRILL BABY, DRILL.

    Well, now, how's that working out for us? It's fine for you, but we're ****ed. Thanks alot. I can only hope that one positive that comes out of this is that the New Yorkers and Jersy****es go back north.
    I think like me the reason why a lot of people supported deep off shore oil drilling was because we were under the assumption that they could fix the leak in a timely manner. I could care less where they drill just as long as the can fix a leak in a timely manner. Until they can fix a leak like BP's in a timely manner it is not worth the risk.
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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would think not wanting the gulf of Mexico and the coast line to turn into a cesspool and not wanting fishing and tourism industry killed would be a good enough reason for most people. Considering it will take decades for clean up, those oil rig workers will have a alternate long term employment option assuming the fishermen and others who lost their livelihood due to the oil leak ave not already taken those clean up jobs.

    But it will ensure that another leak won't happen. What would happen if another massive oil leak or two happened?

    Until oil leaks like BP's can be fixed in a timely manner then it is a good move to enact a moratorium.

    What about the fishermen's jobs, what about the jobs of those who depend on tourist and others whose livelihood is threatened by the oil leak that will possibly take decades to clean up?

    Nice to see that you agree.
    I'm gonna give you a BIG THUMBS UP! You're the first Conservative I've seen actually see this situation on the moratorium as a "people" issue and not just a "oil industry" issue.

    I'm all for continued drilling but only when these oil companies take safety of the waters, coastlines and the environment seriously and not just see things from their figures on a ledger. What this tragedy should show us is all it takes is for one oil deep water rig to screw up to cause widespread chaos for everyone across the board - fishermen, retail and restaurant businesses, tourism, fuel prices (they will go up), retirement pensions (BP's stock and drop by nearly 50% since this spill occurred), natural ocean habitates and sea life and wildlife, etc., etc....the list goes on and on and all because one oil producing company got greedy, careless and wreckless. And we won't even mention the 11 men who lost their lives and the others who were injured from this tragedy.

    People who are crying about oil rig workers not working right now need to take a big step back and start seeing the BIGGER PICTURE here. More people are being affected by this event everyday in ways that go far beyond the Gulf Coast. Better wake up and recognize!
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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I think a good idea would be to allow drilling in wells that already have relief wells drilled and a fresh set of inspections performed. This way jobs won't be lost because they'll need the workers to dig the relief wells and it would be much safer to operate them there after.
    That might not be a bad idea. I think both the President and the oil industry could go for that. I'd also go with donsutherland1's idea of allowing drilling for up to a year to allow an impartial review of spill containment and cleanup plans by these oil companies but only for those rigs that have relief wells already drilled. Any deepwater rig found not to be in compliance after the 12-month moratorium would be halted! It's a win-win on all sides. The oil company continues to produce, the government gets time to review safety procedures and the people could reasonable be spared another disaster like this one.

    See...I may be more liberal leaning (Center-left), but I'm not unreasonable.
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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're opposed to drilling for the natural gas in the Deston Dome? One of the largest natural gas formations in the world.
    At this point in time? Hell yes, I am. And it's DESTIN. Ever been there? I have. Lots.

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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That may be how you think about this in New York City, but it isn't how we think about it in Florida:
    New Yorkers are 83% of the country? Interesting.

    The fact is that the vast, vast majority of the country, republican and democrat, northerner and southerner, has been bitching and bitching for years over the fact that gas prices are too high and have been encouraging and authorizing additional exploration.

    Gov. Crist, Senate reject bill for oil drilling off Florida coast - St. Petersburg Times

    Proposals to drill off the coast of Florida have been voted down for DECADES because of the risks.
    Yea, they expressed NIMBYism just like everyone else. That doesn't mean they were expressing their moral outrage against drilling in general or drilling elsewhere, they just didn't want it where they could see it.

    And, I've posted numerous threads on this board decrying our unhealthy addiction to oil. I would be perfectly happy if gas prices went above $5 or more a gallon, forcing Americans to begin to make necessary economic adjustments to our bad driving habits.
    And I completely agree with you, but you and I are in a very, very small minority.

    p.s. The biggest supporters of cheap oil? The republicans of course. DRILL BABY, DRILL.
    Yea, it's all the republicans fault. The 75% of Americans who supported our Democratic president's proposal to expand offshore drilling are all just nasty Republicans.

    Well, now, how's that working out for us? It's fine for you, but we're ****ed.
    And that sucks and I'm sorry for it. I'm not remotely saying that anyone deserved this, I'm just pointing out that it's a bit ridiculous to say that it's just LA or the oil companies who are responsible for the fact that drilling occurred when it was the entire country that was begging for it.

    Thanks alot. I can only hope that one positive that comes out of this is that the New Yorkers and Jersy****es go back north.
    Too cold for them, their aged bodies need to be climate controlled.
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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The fact is that the vast, vast majority of the country, republican and democrat, northerner and southerner, has been bitching and bitching for years over the fact that gas prices are too high and have been encouraging and authorizing additional exploration.
    I've never been one of them, so my bitching about it now is justified. I've always driven an economy car, I've never complained about gas prices. I understand our gas is heavily subsidized and costs far less at the pump than the actual cost in terms of our involvement in unstable overseas regimes and the environmental costs.

    I think you'd find that there are plenty of people ON THIS BOARD who feel the same way.

    Yea, they expressed NIMBYism just like everyone else. That doesn't mean they were expressing their moral outrage against drilling in general or drilling elsewhere, they just didn't want it where they could see it.
    We didn't want it in their backyard, either, we just didn't have any say on it. We already understood that our backyard was THEIR backyard, and vice versa. On the gulf, it's all the same body of water.

    And I completely agree with you, but you and I are in a very, very small minority.
    I don't believe it's as small as you're portraying it.

    Yea, it's all the republicans fault. The 75% of Americans who supported our Democratic president's proposal to expand offshore drilling are all just nasty Republicans.
    Proud to be part of the 25%. And let's not be disingenuous. Obama was caving to pressure from the right and center. On this issue, I'm not among them. I don't consider gluttonous and nonsustainable use of petroleum to be a "conservative" behavior.

    And that sucks and I'm sorry for it. I'm not remotely saying that anyone deserved this, I'm just pointing out that it's a bit ridiculous to say that it's just LA or the oil companies who are responsible for the fact that drilling occurred when it was the entire country that was begging for it.
    If Florida wanted to take this risk, we'd have allowed drilling. Louisiana's economic decisions are having a massive impact on us.

    Too cold for them, their aged bodies need to be climate controlled.
    How about Mississippi? Can we send them there?

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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've never been one of them, so my bitching about it now is justified. I've always driven an economy car, I've never complained about gas prices. I understand our gas is heavily subsidized and costs far less at the pump than the actual cost in terms of our involvement in unstable overseas regimes and the environmental costs.

    I think you'd find that there are plenty of people ON THIS BOARD who feel the same way.

    We didn't want it in their backyard, either, we just didn't have any say on it. We already understood that our backyard was THEIR backyard, and vice versa. On the gulf, it's all the same body of water.

    I don't believe it's as small as you're portraying it.
    Look at the numbers in the link. 83% of people said that gas prices were either a major problem or put the country in a state of crisis. 73% supported Obama's push to expand offshore drilling. Just 17% opposed it. You can try to excuse it by saying that he "caved to pressure from the right and center" but that just doesn't pass the smell test. This was something that the overwhelming majority of the country wanted.

    If Florida wanted to take this risk, we'd have allowed drilling. Louisiana's economic decisions are having a massive impact on us.
    From a poll released one day before the oil leak

    Florida (FL) Poll * April 19, 2010 * McCollum Leads Tight Florida G - Quinnipiac University Hamden, Connecticut

    One Obama initiative popular with Floridians is his call for offshore oil drilling. Voters approve of offshore drilling in general 66 - 27 percent and approve drilling off the Florida coast 64 - 28 percent.
    To say that it was only people in LA who wanted this is revisionism, plain and simple.
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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'm gonna give you a BIG THUMBS UP! You're the first Conservative I've seen actually see this situation on the moratorium as a "people" issue and not just a "oil industry" issue.

    I'm all for continued drilling but only when these oil companies take safety of the waters, coastlines and the environment seriously and not just see things from their figures on a ledger. What this tragedy should show us is all it takes is for one oil deep water rig to screw up to cause widespread chaos for everyone across the board - fishermen, retail and restaurant businesses, tourism, fuel prices (they will go up), retirement pensions (BP's stock and drop by nearly 50% since this spill occurred), natural ocean habitates and sea life and wildlife, etc., etc....the list goes on and on and all because one oil producing company got greedy, careless and wreckless. And we won't even mention the 11 men who lost their lives and the others who were injured from this tragedy.

    People who are crying about oil rig workers not working right now need to take a big step back and start seeing the BIGGER PICTURE here. More people are being affected by this event everyday in ways that go far beyond the Gulf Coast. Better wake up and recognize!
    You're not seriously suggesting that the moratorium is actually going to help people, are you?
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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    With all your knowledge of life on the Gulf Coast, please, tell us what industries make up the lion's share of our economy. Can't wait to hear this.
    How about you start coughing up some facts for a change? You, when asked, mos of us back up our claims. You cannot. What does that say?

    And you are fallaciously changing the subject. At least you implicitly admit there's more then just oil. That's a huge change from your previous "Not oilmen or shippers, Fem!" attitude.
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