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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    The actual numbers...

    How many jobs does the oil and gas industry provide in Louisiana now?


    •The Louisiana Department of Economic Development estimates that the active drilling suspension alone will result in a loss of 3,000 to 6,000 Louisiana jobs in the first two to three weeks;
    •The ban could cost Louisianans more than 10,000 jobs within a few months;
    •The state risks losing more than 20,000 existing and potential new jobs during a 12 to 18 month period, if the federal panel takes longer than six months to do their reviews and write their reports;
    •Coastal Louisiana, where one in three jobs is related to the oil and gas industry, services around 90 percent of deepwater operations in the Gulf of Mexico;
    •The Louisiana Department of Natural Resources estimates that an average of two supply boats per rig work every day with rates of $15,000 to $30,000 a boat, which means that suspension of drilling activity will result in a nearly $1 million loss per day in supply boat rental income. Each drilling rig job supports four other jobs in local communities.
    JUST THE FACTS: Drilling Moratorium's Impact on Louisiana's Families and Economy

    No offense, Louisiana, but your short-sighted policies on drilling have had EXACTLY the impact that Floridians always feared they would. This is called making your bed, and sleeping in it.

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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, it makes since to just go ahead and kill the rest of the economy on the Gulf Coast? I would love to hear that logic. .
    What would happen to the economy of the Gulf Coast economy if another oil rig or two had the same oil leak that will possibly take months to fix and decades to clean up happened?


    Now, there's not even a fall back for the fisherman to turn to to make a living
    You are aware that this clean up will take decades? So those fishermen and others whose livelihood was destroyed because of the BP oil leak will have a job for the next twenty to thirty years. Hopefully by the time the oil is all cleaned and the fish recover the oil companies will be able to fix a leak in a timely manner, not three or four months and 20 plus years of clean up.

    Since BP did not fix the leak in a timely then there is lots of reasons to believe that another oil like BPs will not be fixed in a timely manner. If BP did fix the leak in a timely manner then we would have threads titled "Doomsday oil disaster leaks nothing more than the ranting and ravings of eco-nuts or eco tards".AS the old saying goes even a broken non operating clock is right twice a day.
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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What would happen to the economy of the Gulf Coast economy if another oil rig or two had the same oil leak that will possibly take months to fix and decades to clean up happened?

    You are aware that this clean up will take decades? So those fishermen and others whose livelihood was destroyed because of the BP oil leak will have a job for the next twenty to thirty years. Hopefully by the time the oil is all cleaned and the fish recover the oil companies will be able to fix a leak in a timely manner, not three or four months and 20 plus years of clean up.
    Thanks for getting it. We cannot continue drilling operations in the gulf as they presently exist. The risks have always been there, and because of our addiction to cheap oil, we've ignored it. We can't ignore it any longer. This incident has caused, and will continue to cause, massive pain. But, to continue doing the things that brought us to this point would be short-sighted and ridiculous. We have to change. Louisiana will have to change.

    I know it will suck. But hell, Louisianians, you can comfort yourselves by reminding yourselves how much you've changed OUR LIVES, too.

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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Although the near-term risk of another similar accident is low, the impact would be catastrophic, especially as for all intents and purposes no credible plans for addressing such accidents exist (Congressional findings revealed that the accident response plans of the major oil companies were extraordinarily similar and the experience has revealed that the BP plan was not effective). Nonetheless, as a practical alternative to the moratorium, my view is that perhaps the other companies could be permitted to resume operations for a provisional 6-12-month period. Afterward, they would be expected to produce concrete plans for dealing with accidents similar to the current one along with reliable data showing that the plan's have a good chance of succeeding. An independent panel of leading scientists and engineers would need to evaluate those plans. During the review, the companies could continue to operate in the deepwaters. Failure to produce such plans within the 6-12-month timeframe would lead to an immediate suspension of deepwater operations for the firm(s) failing to provide the plans. Also, were the scientific panel to determine that the plan was not likely to be effective, deepwater operations for the firm(s) in question would also be terminated immediately and suspended until the defects were satisfactorily remedied.

    Clearly, my suggestion would not go as far as the companies, contractors and their employees might prefer. At the same time, it would leave open the low probability of another catastrophic accident. Nevertheless, it would probably offer a reasonable middle ground by which the companies/contractors/employees could operate and put in place a process that would ensure that the issues that contributed to a lack of effective response to the present accident would be remedied.

    Whether the Obama Administration and/or oil companies/contractors would be willing to accept such a compromise would remain to be seen. To my knowledge, no one has made such a suggestion.
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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Although the near-term risk of another similar accident is low, the impact would be catastrophic, especially as for all intents and purposes no credible plans for addressing such accidents exist (Congressional findings revealed that the accident response plans of the major oil companies were extraordinarily similar and the experience has revealed that the BP plan was not effective). Nonetheless, as a practical alternative to the moratorium, my view is that perhaps the other companies could be permitted to resume operations for a provisional 6-12-month period. Afterward, they would be expected to produce concrete plans for dealing with accidents similar to the current one along with reliable data showing that the plan's have a good chance of succeeding. An independent panel of leading scientists and engineers would need to evaluate those plans. During the review, the companies could continue to operate in the deepwaters. Failure to produce such plans within the 6-12-month timeframe would lead to an immediate suspension of deepwater operations for the firm(s) failing to provide the plans. Also, were the scientific panel to determine that the plan was not likely to be effective, deepwater operations for the firm(s) in question would also be terminated immediately and suspended until the defects were satisfactorily remedied.

    Clearly, my suggestion would not go as far as the companies, contractors and their employees might prefer. At the same time, it would leave open the low probability of another catastrophic accident. Nevertheless, it would probably offer a reasonable middle ground by which the companies/contractors/employees could operate and put in place a process that would ensure that the issues that contributed to a lack of effective response to the present accident would be remedied.

    Whether the Obama Administration and/or oil companies/contractors would be willing to accept such a compromise would remain to be seen. To my knowledge, no one has made such a suggestion.
    June 1 was the start of the 2010 hurricane season, which is predicted to have more major storms than any season in the past 5 years. I do not believe that active drilling should proceed until better plans have been put into place. The risks are simply too great, and we have enough to handle down here, already.

    In an ideal world, we'd end up capping the vast majority of deepwater wells.

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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Although the near-term risk of another similar accident is low, the impact would be catastrophic, especially as for all intents and purposes no credible plans for addressing such accidents exist (Congressional findings revealed that the accident response plans of the major oil companies were extraordinarily similar and the experience has revealed that the BP plan was not effective). Nonetheless, as a practical alternative to the moratorium, my view is that perhaps the other companies could be permitted to resume operations for a provisional 6-12-month period. Afterward, they would be expected to produce concrete plans for dealing with accidents similar to the current one along with reliable data showing that the plan's have a good chance of succeeding. An independent panel of leading scientists and engineers would need to evaluate those plans. During the review, the companies could continue to operate in the deepwaters. Failure to produce such plans within the 6-12-month timeframe would lead to an immediate suspension of deepwater operations for the firm(s) failing to provide the plans. Also, were the scientific panel to determine that the plan was not likely to be effective, deepwater operations for the firm(s) in question would also be terminated immediately and suspended until the defects were satisfactorily remedied.

    Clearly, my suggestion would not go as far as the companies, contractors and their employees might prefer. At the same time, it would leave open the low probability of another catastrophic accident. Nevertheless, it would probably offer a reasonable middle ground by which the companies/contractors/employees could operate and put in place a process that would ensure that the issues that contributed to a lack of effective response to the present accident would be remedied.

    Whether the Obama Administration and/or oil companies/contractors would be willing to accept such a compromise would remain to be seen. To my knowledge, no one has made such a suggestion.
    I think a good idea would be to allow drilling in wells that already have relief wells drilled and a fresh set of inspections performed. This way jobs won't be lost because they'll need the workers to dig the relief wells and it would be much safer to operate them there after.

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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What would happen to the economy of the Gulf Coast economy if another oil rig or two had the same oil leak that will possibly take months to fix and decades to clean up happened?
    What are the odds of that happening, considering that it took 40,000 wells and 50 odd years for this to happen, to begin with? Can you site me another industry with that good of a record?




    You are aware that this clean up will take decades? So those fishermen and others whose livelihood was destroyed because of the BP oil leak will have a job for the next twenty to thirty years. Hopefully by the time the oil is all cleaned and the fish recover the oil companies will be able to fix a leak in a timely manner, not three or four months and 20 plus years of clean up.
    And, you know, it didn't have to happen like that, if Obama would have been a leader, rather than an empty suit.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The actual numbers...


    JUST THE FACTS: Drilling Moratorium's Impact on Louisiana's Families and Economy

    No offense, Louisiana, but your short-sighted policies on drilling have had EXACTLY the impact that Floridians always feared they would. This is called making your bed, and sleeping in it.
    Does that mean that Florida is going to reject it's share of the oil and gas royalties yielded from drilling in the GOM? WOuld rejection of those revenues go very well with FLA's $6 billion deficit? Prolly not, huh?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    YEAH !!! BRAVO!!! GO OBAMA GO FOR THE " CHILL BABY CHILL "INSTEAD OF THE " DRILL BABY DRILL" this dirty OIL energy has got to go and should be gone with the wind !!! IT IS TIME TO MOVE TOWARD CLEANER, GREENER ENERGY !!!!

    We are Fools living in a Fool's Lost Paradise. MEANWHILE THE OILS IS STILL SPEWING IN THE GULF !!!!

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    Re: Gulf Lawmakers to Obama: It's Time to Lift Ban on Offshore Drilling

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Thanks for getting it. We cannot continue drilling operations in the gulf as they presently exist. The risks have always been there, and because of our addiction to cheap oil, we've ignored it. We can't ignore it any longer. This incident has caused, and will continue to cause, massive pain. But, to continue doing the things that brought us to this point would be short-sighted and ridiculous. We have to change. Louisiana will have to change.

    I know it will suck. But hell, Louisianians, you can comfort yourselves by reminding yourselves how much you've changed OUR LIVES, too.
    America: "We want cheap oil and we want it now! 3/4 of us say that rising gas prices have caused financial hardship for our families. 83% of us say that gas prices have placed the country in a state of crisis or have caused major problems. The vast majority of us support offshore drilling. We want you to fix this NOW!"

    LA/Oil Companies: "Ok, we'll do that"

    *Things work well for a long time, Americans get cheap gas, everyone is happy*

    *Oil leak*

    America: "OH MY GOD HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO US?!?!? WE DIDN'T WANT THIS!! WHY WOULD YOU DRILL LIKE THIS? IT MUST BE BECAUSE YOU'RE SO GREEDY. YOU RUINED OUR COUNTRY AND ITS ALL YOUR FAULT!!!"

    LA/Oil Companies: "wtf"
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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