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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    If drug users cant afford their habit AND provide for their children without government assistance then they are bad parents.
    Then I am sure they will not try for welfare so money will indeed be saved.

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    As for the rest. Are you suggesting that we should pay druggies money so they dont become criminals?
    No I am just pointing out that one of the consequenses of cutting welfare from someone who is addicted to drugs will almost certainly be an increase in crime.


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    Its about time people start taking personal responsibility for their own choices, and stop mooching off of the rest of us because they cant, or are intentionally unwilling to provide for themselves, and arent smart enough to make it on their own.
    There is I think a big difference between the person who can and the person who can't.

    If someone can easily and safely come off drugs on their own, then obviously that is exactly what they will do. For those that can't it will just be an increase in crime, and people leading a more furtive lifestyle.

    If the interest is to punish people and save money on welfare, I think it may work.

    If the interest is to get people off drugs and reintegrated into society I have strong doubts.

    I suspect from the way you speak your interest is to punish and save money so I imagine for you it will work - unless one day you suffer a theft from one of these people needing to feed their habit and put food in their bellies.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    I'm not particularly on board with these sorts of things. They're rather intrusive and I don't think they'd have any positive result. Either we have welfare for poor people, or we don't. Let's leave it at that. We don't need to complicate the issue and bring in even more bureaucracy. I understand that people don't want to pay for poor people who are using drugs, but at the same accord all we'd really do is make those drug addicts homeless and we won't have really addressed any issue.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    This is what? The 4,348th time that this has been proposed and it didn't pass, because it's racist?
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Against it for the reasons already mentioned. Most people who are hardcore drug addicts and are on welfare are poor in the first place. Remove the assistance and they fall deeper. I know some people are so selfish that they don't care if other people fall through the gutter, but I promise you'll start to care when you see an influx of homeless people roaming the streets and turning up dead in plain site. Because you live in America, you've never seen what that looks like. Take a little trip to Asia and you'll see what it looks like when the system completely abandons people. It's rather disturbing.

    The pure punishment approach doesn't work, and I wish people would get past the notion already.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That is your opinion. Prove it... and focus only on welfare recipients. Tell us how doing this is NOT beneficial.
    Does anybody have any stats on how many really hardcore drug users are on welfare, and are raising their kids?

    I don't see how they could be doing this. We do have DCS that should have kids confiscated from this type of situation.

    MO is a lot of welfare recipients sell drugs, but don't use. I also feel this is a huge invasion of privacy.

    I realize people don't like their tax dollars aiding drug users, but if it's recreational and occasional it's not our business.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Against it for the reasons already mentioned. Most people who are hardcore drug addicts and are on welfare are poor in the first place. Remove the assistance and they fall deeper. I know some people are so selfish that they don't care if other people fall through the gutter, but I promise you'll start to care when you see an influx of homeless people roaming the streets and turning up dead in plain site. Because you live in America, you've never seen what that looks like. Take a little trip to Asia and you'll see what it looks like when the system completely abandons people. It's rather disturbing.

    The pure punishment approach doesn't work, and I wish people would get past the notion already.

    Oh yeah, we're seeing that with the Leftists, everyday.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    MO is a lot of welfare recipients sell drugs, but don't use.

    For what it's worth, I would say this is a highly unlikely scenario.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    It MAY save enough money in the long run to cover the costs. Not sure.
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    True but drug testing is an expensive endeavor, if this ever gets onto the welfare reform table, there has to be a plan to pay for it. (granted we just nuke welfare at the federal level anyway)
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    There are a number of large holes in your idea, but to address just the monetary ones:

    1) Taking kids away from their parents would be FAR more expensive that the measly $400 bucks a month welfare recipients get now.
    2) Random drug testing would be FAR more expensive than the measly $400 bucks welfare recipients get now.

    And that's not even addressing the obvious "humanitarian" issues.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

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    Oh yeah, we're seeing that with the Leftists, everyday.
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