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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So where do you get 40 million? From your sensationalized mind that would include even infants of welfare recipients?
    More than 40m now use food stamps - The Boston Globe
    Recipients of Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program subsidies for food purchases totaled 40.2 million, up 21 percent from a year earlier and 1.2 percent more than in February, the Department of Agriculture said yesterday in a statement on its website.
    So 40 million on food stamps, and then all those on unemployment and other welfare programs. Yes there will be some that get one or more of the programs, but it wont take the 40 million number down... So.. yes 40 million plus.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Btw, the numbers that I have found range from 3-5 million. Makes sense. Nice try, Pete.
    Then you seriously need to look better. You have at least 14 million unemployed according to the Labour department, 40 million on food stamps as proven above, and considering that the word "welfare" could easily also include Medicare, Medicaid and social security, then we are nearing a very large population number. Or would you except the elderly?
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

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    I have read to page 4 and I have the following problems with this.

    1. Help only works when people want it and when it is appropriate for them - not all people are the same, not all help works for all people even if they want it.

    2. Some of this is introducing a new philosophy which is open to abuse.
    e.g. taking away the children of all drug users when in this country it is known that some drug users can still be reasonable parents. Who will be the next group of people to lose their children because they fall into some category?

    3. Obviously it will if anything just increase crime as people will still need their fix.

    I think if you have a mammoth problem with drug use in the US, possibly a better approach would be to offer help to people who come on welfare and offer that help in a way which they feel good about - for instance harm reduction, (drugs being given under supervision) to counselling to rehab centres. If the intention was to reduce the number of drug addicts, I think this would probably be the more effective way to go about it.
    If drug users cant afford their habit AND provide for their children without government assistance then they are bad parents.

    As for the rest. Are you suggesting that we should pay druggies money so they dont become criminals? Its about time people start taking personal responsibility for their own choices, and stop mooching off of the rest of us because they cant, or are intentionally unwilling to provide for themselves, and arent smart enough to make it on their own.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    And what if they test dirty?
    Without assistance, they won't be able to take care of their kids.
    Are you going to take their kids away?
    Why do you suppose an unemployed habitual drug user should be allowed to keep his/her kids?

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    One thing: Whatever the merits of limiting welfare benefits for drug users, that's a bit different than limiting unemployment benefits. (At least theoretically) People pay for unemployment insurance out of their own pocket. It would seem unfair to have a person who paid thousands of dollars in unemployment insurance lose their job and then lose their unemployment simply because they used drugs.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    "Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients"

    Is it election time already?

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    More than 40m now use food stamps - The Boston Globe


    So 40 million on food stamps, and then all those on unemployment and other welfare programs. Yes there will be some that get one or more of the programs, but it wont take the 40 million number down... So.. yes 40 million plus.
    I believe this number includes each member of the family. This is how numbers get "padded". Further, I am NOT including unemployment. The numbers that I quoted (3-5 million) are accurate.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    "Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients"

    Is it election time already?
    Not until 2012 for Hatch.
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    I think we need some pee-pee from Hatch. It's obvious that his prescription narcotics have taken over his ability to think clearly.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    And what if they test dirty?
    No more welfare.
    Without assistance, they won't be able to take care of their kids.
    Last I checked the Salvation Army and other charities handed out food not recreational drugs. So obviously if they have money for recreational drugs then they got money for food.

    Are you going to take their kids away?
    Where would you put them all?
    The state can take care of them, there is foster care and group homes.

    If there's one thing our nation won't stand for, it's seeing American children going hungry, homeless, or deprived of necessities.
    And we shouldn't stand for it.This isn't Calcutta. We don't want to have to kick dirty, diseased beggar children out of our way when we walk down the street. The idea is obscene. We live in the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world.
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    Which is why we have department of human services that put kids into group homes and foster care.

    Nevertheless, we don't have the apparatus in place to remove the children of the poor en masse, even if this were a desirable solution (which i don't believe it is). We don't have anywhere to put them or any way to take care of them.
    That is a total lie.

    Besides, drug testing only ever really catches pot-smokers.
    Not if it is random.
    Most other drugs are out of one's system within hours or days.
    If the drug test are random then they will eventually catch someone besides pot smokers.
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