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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

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    Then what do you see as welfare benefits? Food stamps?
    Food stamps are considered welfare benefits.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

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    Food stamps are considered welfare benefits.
    So at least 40 million drug tests then...
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

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    And what if they test dirty?
    Without assistance, they won't be able to take care of their kids.
    Are you going to take their kids away?
    Where would you put them all?

    If there's one thing our nation won't stand for, it's seeing American children going hungry, homeless, or deprived of necessities.
    And we shouldn't stand for it.
    This isn't Calcutta. We don't want to have to kick dirty, diseased beggar children out of our way when we walk down the street. The idea is obscene. We live in the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world.

    Nevertheless, we don't have the apparatus in place to remove the children of the poor en masse, even if this were a desirable solution (which i don't believe it is). We don't have anywhere to put them or any way to take care of them.

    Besides, drug testing only ever really catches pot-smokers.
    Most other drugs are out of one's system within hours or days.
    Pot's the only one that stays with you for weeks, even over a month in some cases.
    It seems counterproductive to penalize recreational pot-smokers, while meth-heads, junkies, and coke fiends continue to receive federal or state aid.

    Then we send a bill for their upkeep to all registered Democrats, who would be against this drug testing. That way Republicans who don't believe in buying drugs for addicts don't have to pay.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Then we send a bill for their upkeep to all registered Democrats, who would be against this drug testing. That way Republicans who don't believe in buying drugs for addicts don't have to pay.
    Oh, stop the ridiculous partisan hackery. Read the thread and notice that, with the exception of 1069, people on both sides of the political aisle agree.

    And btw, please show that Republicans do not use drugs. Links to evidence please.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So at least 40 million drug tests then...
    So where do you get 40 million? From your sensationalized mind that would include even infants of welfare recipients?
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Mr Hatch makes an irrefutable case for mandatory testing of lawmakers with this proposal. What is he on?
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So where do you get 40 million? From your sensationalized mind that would include even infants of welfare recipients?
    I figured it was something like that. Didn't bother to check as I considered the number "40 million" too silly to be taken seriously.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Actually, I don't see the problem in feeding drug addicts, but foodstamps does have some issues with people bypassing it. Sticky problem there.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Btw, the numbers that I have found range from 3-5 million. Makes sense. Nice try, Pete.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    I have read to page 4 and I have the following problems with this.

    1. Help only works when people want it and when it is appropriate for them - not all people are the same, not all help works for all people even if they want it.

    2. Some of this is introducing a new philosophy which is open to abuse.
    e.g. taking away the children of all drug users when in this country it is known that some drug users can still be reasonable parents. Who will be the next group of people to lose their children because they fall into some category?

    3. Obviously it will if anything just increase crime as people will still need their fix.

    I think if you have a mammoth problem with drug use in the US, possibly a better approach would be to offer help to people who come on welfare and offer that help in a way which they feel good about - for instance harm reduction, (drugs being given under supervision) to counselling to rehab centres. If the intention was to reduce the number of drug addicts, I think this would probably be the more effective way to go about it.
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