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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    For one it will increase crime most likely.. cutting them off some income will just force them into more crime to feed their habit. Which will increase the cost for you as a tax payer. go figure.
    No, it will just transfer money from welfare to jail. Further, you are not looking at this issue, globally. There is more to it than just, "ok, you are using... no welfare, no questions, see ya". Hatch's plan calls for the offer of drug rehab. I would combine that with ending the war of drugs, and using the saved monies to subsidize that rehab. Now, if someone refuses... then "see ya". They commit crimes... enjoy jail. However, one major issue surrounding folks NOT going into rehab is cost. This plan repairs that.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

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    No, it will just transfer money from welfare to jail. Further, you are not looking at this issue, globally. There is more to it than just, "ok, you are using... no welfare, no questions, see ya". Hatch's plan calls for the offer of drug rehab. I would combine that with ending the war of drugs, and using the saved monies to subsidize that rehab. Now, if someone refuses... then "see ya". They commit crimes... enjoy jail. However, one major issue surrounding folks NOT going into rehab is cost. This plan repairs that.
    No matter what it is like putting a band-aid on a cut with a gaping gushing wound beside it. And that is my point and why I find this sort of legislation nothing but the usual politics with no vision what so ever. He is only proposing this because it will get him votes and I would wager that he has ties to some rehab companies too
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

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    No matter what it is like putting a band-aid on a cut with a gaping gushing wound beside it. And that is my point and why I find this sort of legislation nothing but the usual politics with no vision what so ever. He is only proposing this because it will get him votes and I would wager that he has ties to some rehab companies too
    Ok, so you have nothing to say other than you disagree because the legislation is contradictory to your political position. Gotcha.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I happen to work with a lot of people who are on food stamps and have their children on free government medical care, when they also drink alcohol heavily(usually during work hours) and smoke weed(again during work hours).
    And? People on food stamps work too. Should they be drug tested? How about people working for GM and other companies bailed out by the US tax payer? Should they all be drug tested? He does not define "welfare benefits" as far as I can see, so it can basically mean everyone in the country since every American receives some sort of "welfare benefit" either directly or indirectly.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Ok, so you have nothing to say other than you disagree because the legislation is contradictory to your political position. Gotcha.
    No I agree with the legislation, I just find it not going nearly far enough. All he is doing is targeting people who most likely wont vote for him but for his direct opposition.. go figure!
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No I agree with the legislation, I just find it not going nearly far enough. All he is doing is targeting people who most likely wont vote for him but for his direct opposition.. go figure!
    Nothing but a supposition on your part.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And? People on food stamps work too. Should they be drug tested? How about people working for GM and other companies bailed out by the US tax payer? Should they all be drug tested? He does not define "welfare benefits" as far as I can see, so it can basically mean everyone in the country since every American receives some sort of "welfare benefit" either directly or indirectly.
    No Pete. WELFARE BENEFITS. It was pretty clear what he meant.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No Pete. WELFARE BENEFITS. It was pretty clear what he meant.
    Then what do you see as welfare benefits? Food stamps?
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And? People on food stamps work too. Should they be drug tested? How about people working for GM and other companies bailed out by the US tax payer? Should they all be drug tested? He does not define "welfare benefits" as far as I can see, so it can basically mean everyone in the country since every American receives some sort of "welfare benefit" either directly or indirectly.
    Each company can drug test. And yes, why not? They drug test professional athletes.

    If a company is paying for medical care, they have that right.
    There are private companies that can and do fire people that smoke.
    So long as they pay the freight, they have that right.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Each company can drug test. And yes, why not? They drug test professional athletes.

    If a company is paying for medical care, they have that right.
    There are private companies that can and do fire people that smoke.
    So long as they pay the freight, they have that right.

    If you don't like it, work somewhere else.

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    I agree, but what I am pushing for is that if any private company receives any money/grant/tax break from the government that they should be forced to drug test their employees.. that should cover everyone in the US. That is a way to deal with the problem on a national scale instead of putting a band-aid on a small part of the problem.
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