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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    And what if they test dirty?
    Without assistance, they won't be able to take care of their kids.
    You want assistance between jobs, or a drug induced vacation.
    If it is the latter, it is your choice. Fund it yourself.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

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    Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients - Political Hotsheet - CBS News



    Normally I disagree with most things this guy does but I applaud this move.

    I like most forms of welfare and I believe they serve a necessary function for our society (even though they are going to need to be scaled back because of budgetary considerations, unfortunately), but there is no purpose in spending money where it does not produce any positive benefits for the individual getting the money or for society.
    I agree with this proposal, and have been suggesting it myself for years. Hatch makes a good point. Continued drug use by welfare recipients can inhibit these folks from getting off welfare, which should be the goal.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree with this proposal, and have been suggesting it myself for years. Hatch makes a good point. Continued drug use by welfare recipients can inhibit these folks from getting off welfare, which should be the goal.
    A lot of people made the same argument as 1069 and friends when Welfare Reform, part of the Contract with America was proffered by Republicans.

    Clinton swore he would never sign Welfare Reform, but did, and it was so successful that on the 10th anniversary tried to take full credit for the program.

    I see the same thing happening here.

    It will be initially be an uncomfortable transition for some, but will lead to more responsibility and better lives for the parents and children on the whole. Society too.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    A lot of people made the same argument as 1069 and friends when Welfare Reform, part of the Contract with America was proffered by Republicans.

    Clinton swore he would never sign Welfare Reform, but did, and it was so successful that on the 10th anniversary tried to take full credit for the program.

    I see the same thing happening here.

    It will be initially be an uncomfortable transition for some, but will lead to more responsibility and better lives for the parents and children on the whole. Society too.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

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    I wish there was a like button here.....
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    A lot of people made the same argument as 1069 and friends when Welfare Reform, part of the Contract with America was proffered by Republicans.

    Clinton swore he would never sign Welfare Reform, but did, and it was so successful that on the 10th anniversary tried to take full credit for the program.

    I see the same thing happening here.

    It will be initially be an uncomfortable transition for some, but will lead to more responsibility and better lives for the parents and children on the whole. Society too.

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    In my opinion, welfare is a necessary evil for folks who have had problems, mostly not of their making, but sometimes even OF their own making. Thing is, at least the way that I see it, welfare is not a permanent solution. The goal should be to get off of it. I think there should be more US dollar spent on promoting this, and less on the continuous state of welfare for some people.

    And yes, if someone tests positive for drugs while on welfare, I support having their benefits cut and their children removed. If they are choosing to use drugs rather than take care of their family, I can't imagine that they are doing a great job taking care of their kids.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In my opinion, welfare is a necessary evil for folks who have had problems, mostly not of their making, but sometimes even OF their own making. Thing is, at least the way that I see it, welfare is not a permanent solution. The goal should be to get off of it. I think there should be more US dollar spent on promoting this, and less on the continuous state of welfare for some people.

    And yes, if someone tests positive for drugs while on welfare, I support having their benefits cut and their children removed. If they are choosing to use drugs rather than take care of their family, I can't imagine that they are doing a great job taking care of their kids.
    That is the best reasoning for this type of policy.

    Most people who are on welfare and using drugs, are already leading their children down the road of perpetual failure.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Utter biased legislation.

    Why only welfare recipients? Do it for everyone and make people take the consequences of that. Higher taxes for abusers, fines and ultimately prison. That would solve a lot of problems in the US. After all a majority of drug users are not on welfare.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Utter biased legislation.

    Why only welfare recipients? Do it for everyone and make people take the consequences of that. Higher taxes for abusers, fines and ultimately prison. That would solve a lot of problems in the US. After all a majority of drug users are not on welfare.
    No, Pete, this is not what people are discussing. Drug users who are fending for themselves are not of my concern. However, when my tax dollars pay for a drug user's drug. keeping them on welfare, THAT IS my concern.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In my opinion, welfare is a necessary evil for folks who have had problems, mostly not of their making, but sometimes even OF their own making. Thing is, at least the way that I see it, welfare is not a permanent solution. The goal should be to get off of it. I think there should be more US dollar spent on promoting this, and less on the continuous state of welfare for some people.
    I agree, it should be a very thin and porous net, not a hammock.

    And yes, if someone tests positive for drugs while on welfare, I support having their benefits cut and their children removed. If they are choosing to use drugs rather than take care of their family, I can't imagine that they are doing a great job taking care of their kids.
    Here is a really touchy line, a barrel of worms; Removing children. There are instances it should happen certainly, what they are specifically I can't define legally and won't attempt to. I think it falls into the "I know it when I see it" category, defining it legally is another matter.

    I prefer to see less government, and less intrusion into families by government. In the old days friends and family or churches intervened. That's better than the faceless, morgue-like state. You could even say I'd opt for it takes a village approach, but not as defined by Hillary. For her "village" is a coy term for state.

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