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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I would be for this testing on one condition. That is that all government officials, up to the president, get drug tested as well.
    Good idea as well.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Then I am sure they will not try for welfare so money will indeed be saved.



    No I am just pointing out that one of the consequenses of cutting welfare from someone who is addicted to drugs will almost certainly be an increase in crime.
    That's what prison is for.


    There is I think a big difference between the person who can and the person who can't.

    If someone can easily and safely come off drugs on their own, then obviously that is exactly what they will do. For those that can't it will just be an increase in crime, and people leading a more furtive lifestyle.

    If the interest is to punish people and save money on welfare, I think it may work.

    If the interest is to get people off drugs and reintegrated into society I have strong doubts.

    I suspect from the way you speak your interest is to punish and save money so I imagine for you it will work - unless one day you suffer a theft from one of these people needing to feed their habit and put food in their bellies.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's what prison is for.
    Just as well this is not going to be law in the UK then. We don't have enough money to keep more people in jail.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    Normally I disagree with most things this guy does but I applaud this move.

    I like most forms of welfare and I believe they serve a necessary function for our society (even though they are going to need to be scaled back because of budgetary considerations, unfortunately), but there is no purpose in spending money where it does not produce any positive benefits for the individual getting the money or for society.

    The premise is alright I suppose, but in the end, it is just another layer of government on top of what I view as a mostly failed program. In Louisiana this was proposed in the State government, and met pretty heated opposition, we will see what happens nationally.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And also expand the government into peoples lives.
    Oh, well, in that case, lets shrink the government out of people's lives and completely do away with welfare.

    Problem solved.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Why limit it to welfare recipients? Why not everyone who gets government money?

    Why not corporate CEOs who get bailouts? Students who get student loans and grants? People who actually work for the government, from those in the military on down to the clerk at the DMV?

    And how about people who get money from the government indirectly, such as through government services? Why not test everyone who wants to borrow a library book? Can't get your mail until you piss in a cup. If you use the highway, roadside test could become a common thing.

    Or maybe this is just another way for politicians to attack the most helpless among us without any real concern for consistency or logic? After all, these people never vote anyway.
    I see your point, but looking at it more closely, the welfare recipient is taking and not giving back.

    All the regular working citizens, or students, or CEO's, contribute or will contribute to society in some way in the present or future.

    Most able-bodied welfare recipients collect welfare and supplement the welfare with money they receive from working a job under the table.

    Using drugs is like saying, na-na-na-na-na, ha, ha I'm taking you stupid workers money, and having a gay old time doing absolutely nothing, while you dummies have to get up, and go to work all day. It is annoying to those of us that work hard to keep ourselves alive.

    I do see why many have lost interest in helping welfare recipients. It's a losing battle. Many of them do seem to just get lazy from their situation. It becomes a lifestyle.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's what prison is for.
    Prison is more expensive than welfare.
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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    i would absolutely agree with this as long as members of congress are tested as well. after all, they suck the gov't teat too.

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    Re: Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Welfare Recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Prison is more expensive than welfare.
    Yes.

    To prove your point I just watched a news segment about a 70 million dollar prison in california that is brand new that can not be used because california does not have enough money to staff it.

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