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    Re: Obama declares 'reckless' BP will pay Gulf cleanup

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    They might have turned down some help when they feel it wouldn't be helpful, but at any point in that letter or anywhere else did anyone say it was because of the Jones Act? Do you have any proof that the Jones Act has prevented one single iota of help?




    I dont need to be not on the iphone to simply /facepalm at this hackery.


    13 countries offered help. The thing preventing them from helpong was obama not lifting the jones act. I posted on this as well.
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    Re: Obama declares 'reckless' BP will pay Gulf cleanup

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Two things. Bush's tenure was when deregulation happened.
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    Which deregulation are you referring to, specifically?

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    Re: Obama declares 'reckless' BP will pay Gulf cleanup

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I dont need to be not on the iphone to simply /facepalm at this hackery.


    13 countries offered help. The thing preventing them from helpong was obama not lifting the jones act. I posted on this as well.
    Unified Command for the BP Oil Spill | Admiral Allen Provides Guidance to Ensure Expedited Jones Act Waiver Processing Should It Be Needed

    Why did it prevent those instances but somehow we do have foreign ships in the gulf right now with no waivers of the Jones Act? This isn't hackery, it's a simple question. The administration has pointed out that they will waive the jones act any time that they need to. To suggest that there are ships sitting around ready to help us that were keeping out simply because Obama can't be troubled with waiving the Jones Act is silly at best.

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    Re: Obama declares 'reckless' BP will pay Gulf cleanup

    Just in case you were wondering why BP had a rig where it did, and were looking to tie it to GWB...

    In 1995, President Clinton signed the Outer Continental Shelf Deepwater Royalty Relief Act which exempted oil wells drilled deep in the Gulf from the normal royalty payments they would normally have owed the government for their oil. Usually, these payments amount to between 12% and 16% of their revenues, so exemption from this requirement did a great deal to catalyze drilling in deep waters in the Gulf of Mexico. As a result of the Administration action, deepwater oil production in the Gulf increased rapidly, growing from 42 million barrels annually in 1996 to 348 million in 2004. The latter figure represents about 6% of total United States oil consumption and about 15% of domestic production. Natural gas production from deepwater Gulf drilling increased tenfold during the same period.

    Outer Continental Shelf Deep Water Royalty Relief Act of 1995

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    Re: Obama declares 'reckless' BP will pay Gulf cleanup

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Two things. Bush's tenure was when deregulation happened. In fact it was part of the agenda and stuff like this is a good example of why we need regulation. So, in that sense, it is Bush's fault. (It may seem like a tired old mantra to you, but to me it will never tire until it is no longer true)

    It is also BP's fault because they knowingly cut corners.

    It is a littlebit Obama's fault because he should have cleaned house, but I am going to give him somewhat of a pass since government is huge and there is no way he could possibly know every problem.

    So in conclusion
    Mostly BP's fault
    Some Bush's fault
    a little Obama's fault
    Didn't the Obama Administration give this specific rig a safety award last year?
    Hasn't the Obama Administration been in office 18-months?
    So eager were they, did they not start stepping on the Bush Administration's toes right after the election?
    Didn't Obama campaign on "Change... You Can Believe In"?

    What has Obama done?

    In short:

    He sent lawyers and a SWAT team from the EPA as his first move.
    The Department of Homeland Security took more than a week to call the spill worthy of the highest level of federal action.
    Obama doesn't know if his chief at the MMS was fired or quit!
    It takes 3 weeks for Jindal to get an answer about sand bars. Why?
    The administration engaged in debates for three weeks about the spill.
    Over a dozen countries offering assistance were not taken up on their offer.
    Plug the damn hole.
    He goes on vacation.
    He plays hoops.
    He goes golfing.
    It takes him forever to visit the region... when he does...
    ....he visits for a scant couple hours before going on vacation.
    He send more lawyers.
    His main main in a Nobel Prize winner.
    He says he is responsible, then blames everyone else.
    It takes what, 50+ days to talk to BP CEO.
    It takes 60+ days to meet with BP chief execs.
    And... to prove he is incompetent, in way over his head...

    ...he gives a political speech to the nation, when they claimed the nation would get one about the spill, its progress and how we are going to deal with it. This speech drives his even most die hard fans at MSNBC & NY Times nuts.

    Obama is out of his league.

    We needed and need someone with executive experience...
    Someone that has run a state or businesses, not just the Harvard Law Review. Even a town the size of let's say... Wasilla. Not just a Saul Alinsky agitator that uses Alinsky's Rule #13 for every situation, and seeks every crisis as an excuse to expand the government.

    We need someone that is a leader, or at least is surrounded by leaders instead of pin heads.

    Palin for example. Someone from an oil state that has executive experience at the Governor level.

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    Re: Obama declares 'reckless' BP will pay Gulf cleanup

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I see. So blatant violation of safety regulations is the fault of the regulator, not the violator?
    That idiot president of YOURS, is more worried about BP than the states he pledged to protect. Governor of LA is having to say **** your Obama, I'm moving forward with my plans to protect my coast.
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    Re: Obama declares 'reckless' BP will pay Gulf cleanup

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I see. So blatant violation of safety regulations is the fault of the regulator, not the violator?
    BP is to blame surely.
    Obama has shown his ineptitude in dealing with a Disaster.
    He has proven what happens when you have no executive experience.
    When you only know how to "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

    That's not leadership, but it has been his MO since before taking office.
    That and deflecting responsibility while claiming it.
    Similar to what happened with Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Johnston...
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    Re: Obama declares 'reckless' BP will pay Gulf cleanup

    Let's not hang, draw, and quarter BP entirely, while the red mist is still around. If BP is talked into bankruptcy, there will be no payments for anybody.

    " ... Of the 126 people working on the Deepwater Horizon, only eight were BP employees. BP had a 65% share in the well, while a partner, Anadarko, had 25%. The rig was owned and operated by a US firm, Transocean. A failed blow-out preventer was made by another US firm, Cameron, while Halliburton, the oil services firm once run by Dick Cheney, carried out cement work that was supposed to seal the well.

    BP was calling the shots on the project – and it is tempting to rush to judgement on the British firm, given its dismal US record. Neglect and lax safety oversight caused an explosion at BP's Texas City oil refinery in 2005, killing 15 workers. The following year, poor maintenance prompted BP's pipelines in Alaska to spring a leak, sending oil gushing into the Arctic wilderness.

    There have been allegations, as yet unproven, that BP was cutting corners on the Deepwater rig – perhaps by filling the well with unstable water, rather than drilling mud. Nevertheless, there are plenty of questions outstanding. Just this week, a US congressional committee asked Transocean to explain apparent poor staffing on the rig on the night of the gulf disaster. There were 18 employees on shift that evening, the lowest number in a fortnight of records, and there were no engineers, electricians, mechanics or subsea supervisors ... "


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    Re: Obama declares 'reckless' BP will pay Gulf cleanup

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So no failure of three administrations to outfit the 1994 plan as required by law? No failure of Obama to leave 13 countries waiting on the outside to help because he wont lift the jones act?
    Um...Just so you're better informed, they've started streamlining waivers.

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    Re: Obama declares 'reckless' BP will pay Gulf cleanup

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Um...Just so you're better informed, they've started streamlining waivers.



    I've already acknowledged this, you seem to like sticking your foot in your mouth.
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