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    Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Folks, this is possibly some of the worst we've seen yet.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100615/...ights_election

    Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election

    PORT CHESTER, N.Y. – Arthur Furano voted early — five days before Election Day. And he voted often, flipping the lever six times for his favorite candidate. Furano cast multiple votes on the instructions of a federal judge and the U.S. Department of Justice as part of a new election system crafted to help boost Hispanic representation.

    Voters in Port Chester, 25 miles northeast of New York City, are electing village trustees for the first time since the federal government alleged in 2006 that the existing election system was unfair. The election ends Tuesday and results are expected late Tuesday.

    Although the village of about 30,000 residents is nearly half Hispanic, no Latino had ever been elected to any of the six trustee seats, which until now were chosen in a conventional at-large election. Most voters were white, and white candidates always won.

    Federal Judge Stephen Robinson said that violated the Voting Rights Act, and he approved a remedy suggested by village officials: a system called cumulative voting, in which residents get six votes each to apportion as they wish among the candidates. He rejected a government proposal to break the village into six districts, including one that took in heavily Hispanic areas.

    Furano and his wife, Gloria Furano, voted Thursday.

    "That was very strange," Arthur Furano, 80, said after voting. "I'm not sure I liked it. All my life, I've heard, `one man, one vote.'"

    It's the first time any municipality in New York has used cumulative voting, said Amy Ngai, a director at FairVote, a nonprofit election research and reform group that has been hired to consult. The system is used to elect the school board in Amarillo, Texas, the county commission in Chilton County, Ala., and the City Council in Peoria, Ill.

    The judge also ordered Port Chester to implement in-person early voting, allowing residents to show up on any of five days to cast ballots. That, too, is a first in New York, Ngai said.

    Village clerk Joan Mancuso said Monday that 604 residents voted early.

    Gloria Furano gave one vote each to six candidates. Aaron Conetta gave two votes each to three candidates.

    Frances Nurena talked to the inspectors about the new system, grabbed some educational material and went home to study. After all, it was only Thursday. She could vote on Friday, Saturday or Tuesday.

    "I understand the voting," she said. "But since I have time, I'm going to learn more about the candidates."

    On Tuesday, Candida Sandoval voted at the Don Bosco Center, where a soup kitchen and day-laborer hiring center added to the activity, and where federal observers watched the voting from a table in the corner.

    "I hope that if Hispanics get in, they do something for all the Hispanic people," Sandoval said in Spanish. "I don't know, but I hope so."

    FairVote said cumulative voting allows a political minority to gain representation if it organizes and focuses its voting strength on specific candidates. Two of the 13 Port Chester trustee candidates — one Democrat and one Republican — are Hispanic. A third Hispanic is running a write-in campaign after being taken off the ballot on a technicality.
    This makes Barney irate and high-pitched in voice for two reasons:

    1. The judge invoked the lack of elected Hispanic representation as a VIOLATION of the Voting Rights Act, and proceeded to ORDER the district to adopt measures to ENSURE the election of a Hispanic candidate, regardless of substance or character, to the city council just because of his/her skin color.

    2. The US Department of Justice WAS involved and once again Chicago style politics are deliberately pushing elections in the favor of state-sponsored candidates.

    Some people will be like, "But everyone gets six votes!"

    But you don't understand. There are more white candidates than Hispanic candidates. Despite a 50% Hispanic population, turnout is very low for their community and a six vote tally will allow the Hispanic voters to pool their six votes in the smaller Hispanic contingency of candidates, statistically outvoting Caucasian voters who would spread their votes over all the candidates rather than just the Hispanic ones.

    A very clever and very sinister ploy to hand pick candidates. Not to mention completely unconstitutional.

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    re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy Fife View Post
    Folks, this is possibly some of the worst we've seen yet.

    Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election - Yahoo! News



    This makes Barney irate and high-pitched in voice for two reasons:

    1. The judge invoked the lack of elected Hispanic representation as a VIOLATION of the Voting Rights Act, and proceeded to ORDER the district to adopt measures to ENSURE the election of a Hispanic candidate, regardless of substance or character, to the city council just because of his/her skin color.

    2. The US Department of Justice WAS involved and once again Chicago style politics are deliberately pushing elections in the favor of state-sponsored candidates.

    Some people will be like, "But everyone gets six votes!"

    But you don't understand. There are more white candidates than Hispanic candidates. Despite a 50% Hispanic population, turnout is very low for their community and a six vote tally will allow the Hispanic voters to pool their six votes in the smaller Hispanic contingency of candidates, statistically outvoting Caucasian voters who would spread their votes over all the candidates rather than just the Hispanic ones.

    A very clever and very sinister ploy to hand pick candidates. Not to mention completely unconstitutional.
    How in the hell does that violate the voting rights act?

    What is this world coming to.
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    re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    FairVote said cumulative voting allows a political minority to gain representation if it organizes and focuses its voting strength on specific candidates.
    Read: Cumulative voting allows a minority group to gain representation if it votes strictly along racial lines, allocating all its votes to one or two preferred candidates.
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    re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Read: Cumulative voting allows a minority group to gain representation if it votes strictly along racial lines, allocating all its votes to one or two preferred candidates.
    Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to in my final point. Not only is it permissable to race-based elections, but also encourages it by stacking the deck.

    Seriously screwed up.

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    re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Read: Cumulative voting allows a minority group to gain representation if it votes strictly along racial lines, allocating all its votes to one or two preferred candidates.
    Can't they just do that with a single vote?
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    re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Can't they just do that with a single vote?
    Most articles are very unclear on the exact details, but I believe this is how it worked:

    Originally, there were six at-large seats up for election each year. Everyone was allowed to vote for six different people and the top six vote-getters won the election.

    Now, everyone still has six votes, but you can allocate more than one vote for each person

    The result is that this particular system creates a substantial reward for insularism.

    Some of the details for what prompted this case were particularly ridiculous:

    Latinos made up 46 percent of the village’s roughly 28,000 people in the most recent census, in 2000, though many were not American citizens. About 43 percent of residents were non-Hispanic whites and 7 percent were blacks, according to the census. No Latino has ever been elected to the six-member village board, and the preferred candidates among Latino voters have usually been defeated.

    The odds against winning have been so daunting, Latino advocates say, that only two Hispanic candidates have ever been on the ballot, most recently Cesar Ruiz, who won nearly the entire Latino vote in 2001 but still lost the election.
    So exactly two Latinos have ever even run and lost and this is somehow proof of discrimination?

    But hey, with numbers like that, there's no possible explanation for those losses other than racism, right?

    Even those Latino candidates do not appear terribly optimistic about their prospects.

    “What can I tell you? I’m working hard to get elected,” said the Democrat, Luis Marino, 43, a volunteer firefighter in Port Chester who works in the maintenance department of the Scarsdale school system. “If I don’t get in, I’m not going to get upset or anything like that. If I win, excellent.”

    Mr. Marino, who was born in Peru, has not helped his chances by eschewing time-honored campaigning techniques like ringing doorbells and walking the neighborhoods to chat with voters.

    “I don’t do much walking door to door because I don’t believe in that,” he said. “I don’t like to harass people or aggravate people.” His preferred campaign method? “I just call all my friends and ask them if they’ll vote for me.”
    Yea, it's gotta be racism.
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    re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Most articles are very unclear on the exact details, but I believe this is how it worked:

    Originally, there were six at-large seats up for election each year. Everyone was allowed to vote for six different people and the top six vote-getters won the election.

    Now, everyone still has six votes, but you can allocate more than one vote for each person

    The result is that this particular system creates a substantial reward for insularism.

    Some of the details for what prompted this case were particularly ridiculous:



    So exactly two Latinos have ever even run and lost and this is somehow proof of discrimination?

    But hey, with numbers like that, there's no possible explanation for those losses other than racism, right?



    Yea, it's gotta be racism.
    I propose you find a way to recall that judge, if possible.
    The reasoning is so awful, I can't begin to explain how asinine this is.
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    re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy Fife View Post
    Folks, this is possibly some of the worst we've seen yet.

    Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election - Yahoo! News

    This makes Barney irate and high-pitched in voice for two reasons:

    1. The judge invoked the lack of elected Hispanic representation as a VIOLATION of the Voting Rights Act, and proceeded to ORDER the district to adopt measures to ENSURE the election of a Hispanic candidate, regardless of substance or character, to the city council just because of his/her skin color.

    2. The US Department of Justice WAS involved and once again Chicago style politics are deliberately pushing elections in the favor of state-sponsored candidates.

    Some people will be like, "But everyone gets six votes!"

    But you don't understand. There are more white candidates than Hispanic candidates. Despite a 50% Hispanic population, turnout is very low for their community and a six vote tally will allow the Hispanic voters to pool their six votes in the smaller Hispanic contingency of candidates, statistically outvoting Caucasian voters who would spread their votes over all the candidates rather than just the Hispanic ones.

    A very clever and very sinister ploy to hand pick candidates. Not to mention completely unconstitutional.

    I wouldn't be wasting your lone bullet on this one Barney. Besides, where did you get this one man / one vote bunk? In America its one dollar / one vote.

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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy Fife View Post
    Folks, this is possibly some of the worst we've seen yet.

    Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election - Yahoo! News



    This makes Barney irate and high-pitched in voice for two reasons:

    1. The judge invoked the lack of elected Hispanic representation as a VIOLATION of the Voting Rights Act, and proceeded to ORDER the district to adopt measures to ENSURE the election of a Hispanic candidate, regardless of substance or character, to the city council just because of his/her skin color.

    2. The US Department of Justice WAS involved and once again Chicago style politics are deliberately pushing elections in the favor of state-sponsored candidates.

    Some people will be like, "But everyone gets six votes!"

    But you don't understand. There are more white candidates than Hispanic candidates. Despite a 50% Hispanic population, turnout is very low for their community and a six vote tally will allow the Hispanic voters to pool their six votes in the smaller Hispanic contingency of candidates, statistically outvoting Caucasian voters who would spread their votes over all the candidates rather than just the Hispanic ones.

    A very clever and very sinister ploy to hand pick candidates. Not to mention completely unconstitutional.
    If this were about a state or federal race, I might join you in your high-pitched voice anger.

    It's about a municipality. They can set their elections how they like - as long as the individuals are all treated equally, which, in this case, they are.

    It's weird, I grant you. But it's hardly unconstitutional.

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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    If this were about a state or federal race, I might join you in your high-pitched voice anger.

    It's about a municipality. They can set their elections how they like - as long as the individuals are all treated equally, which, in this case, they are.

    It's weird, I grant you. But it's hardly unconstitutional.
    Unfortunately it is setting a standard that should not be set.
    At some stage might this not set a precedent for higher elections?

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