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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mcygee View Post
    I tried to find the specific judge. Please link me to where you got your information. Make a note that I'm not asking for proof of what you are saying. I'm not surprised in the least if he was appointed by a republican. Lets not mistake republican for conservative. The two are very different.

    I think most people would agree that the decision to unconsitutionally force a local election to change its rules, and doing so in order to get a minority in place who wasn't getting enough votes before is a very liberal move. Would you not agree? I'd have to see this judges history of ruling to decide if they were liberal, conservative, or moderate. I can tell by this ruling they almost certainly are not conservative. Perhaps I should say that his decision was very liberal.
    Calling out people as liberals, conservatives etc is very stupid.
    The best thing to do is call them what they really are...dumb.

    As per RightinNYC's information, the judge has the law on his side, as stupid and as idiotic as the law is.
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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mcygee View Post
    I tried to find the specific judge. Please link me to where you got your information. Make a note that I'm not asking for proof of what you are saying. I'm not surprised in the least if he was appointed by a republican. Lets not mistake republican for conservative. The two are very different.

    I think most people would agree that the decision to unconsitutionally force a local election to change its rules, and doing so in order to get a minority in place who wasn't getting enough votes before is a very liberal move. Would you not agree? I'd have to see this judges history of ruling to decide if they were liberal, conservative, or moderate. I can tell by this ruling they almost certainly are not conservative. Perhaps I should say that his decision was very liberal.

    I did jump to conclusions based on limited information. Which I strive to NOT do. So I apologize for the rash response. It was more emotional than intellectual.
    No problem, and no apology needed. If I were perfect then I might make a huge deal out of this but you know how that goes...


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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mcygee View Post
    I tried to find the specific judge. Please link me to where you got your information. Make a note that I'm not asking for proof of what you are saying. I'm not surprised in the least if he was appointed by a republican. Lets not mistake republican for conservative. The two are very different.

    I think most people would agree that the decision to unconsitutionally force a local election to change its rules, and doing so in order to get a minority in place who wasn't getting enough votes before is a very liberal move. Would you not agree? I'd have to see this judges history of ruling to decide if they were liberal, conservative, or moderate. I can tell by this ruling they almost certainly are not conservative. Perhaps I should say that his decision was very liberal.

    I did jump to conclusions based on limited information. Which I strive to NOT do. So I apologize for the rash response. It was more emotional than intellectual.
    The judge's move wasn't unconstitutional, as he's just doing what Congress provided for in the Voting Rights Act. Because he's a district court judge, he's not entitled to hold that the VRA is unconstitutional. He has to follow the precedents laid down for him by the Second Circuit and the Supreme Court. As a result, it would be consistent with a conservative philosophy (however you want to define that) to apply the law in this fashion, even if he personally thinks that the law is unconstitutional.

    Either way, thank you for being so up front and polite.
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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy Fife View Post
    1. The judge invoked the lack of elected Hispanic representation as a VIOLATION of the Voting Rights Act, and proceeded to ORDER the district to adopt measures to ENSURE the election of a Hispanic candidate, regardless of substance or character, to the city council just because of his/her skin color.
    Just another example of liberals taking offense to the will of the people and going to court to change it.

    Under this argument, since no woman has been elected President, women should get extra votes on election day.

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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Just another example of liberals taking offense to the will of the people and going to court to change it.

    Under this argument, since no woman has been elected President, women should get extra votes on election day.
    The ruling wasn't that Hispanics get more votes. It was that everyone gets more votes.

    And again, this was done by George Bush's justice department and a judge appointed by George Bush. Why are you whining about liberals?

    Hell, even Scalia and Thomas have ruled on cases like these and find them to be constitutional. Those are some big liberal judges, right?
    Holder v. Hall, 512 U.S. 874 (June 30, 1994).

    Such changes may seem radical departures from the electoral systems with which we are most familiar. Indeed, they may be unwanted by the people in the several States who purposely have adopted districting systems in their electoral laws. But nothing in our present understanding of the Voting Rights Act places a principled limit on the authority of federal courts that would prevent them from instituting a system of cumulative voting as a remedy under §2, or even from establishing a more elaborate mechanism for securing proportional representation based on transferable votes.

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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    The ruling wasn't that Hispanics get more votes. It was that everyone gets more votes.
    Yes... predicated on the idea that the legitimate outcome of legal elections violates the law. Absurd on its face. Imgaine if we changed an election procedure with the expressed purpose of getting a while male elected.

    Election law is there to make sure that everyone has the ability to vote freely everyone's ballot is counted according to the same set of standards - the OUTCOME of the electiuon isn;t its concern in any way shape or form.
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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy Fife View Post
    Folks, this is possibly some of the worst we've seen yet.

    Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election - Yahoo! News



    This makes Barney irate and high-pitched in voice for two reasons:

    1. The judge invoked the lack of elected Hispanic representation as a VIOLATION of the Voting Rights Act, and proceeded to ORDER the district to adopt measures to ENSURE the election of a Hispanic candidate, regardless of substance or character, to the city council just because of his/her skin color.

    2. The US Department of Justice WAS involved and once again Chicago style politics are deliberately pushing elections in the favor of state-sponsored candidates.

    Some people will be like, "But everyone gets six votes!"

    But you don't understand. There are more white candidates than Hispanic candidates. Despite a 50% Hispanic population, turnout is very low for their community and a six vote tally will allow the Hispanic voters to pool their six votes in the smaller Hispanic contingency of candidates, statistically outvoting Caucasian voters who would spread their votes over all the candidates rather than just the Hispanic ones.

    A very clever and very sinister ploy to hand pick candidates. Not to mention completely unconstitutional.
    This is obviously an ACORN district.
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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is obviously an ACORN district.
    Ooh, I have a vague conspiracy theory too:
    The CIA did it in a plot to poison our drinking water.
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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The judge's move wasn't unconstitutional, as he's just doing what Congress provided for in the Voting Rights Act. Because he's a district court judge, he's not entitled to hold that the VRA is unconstitutional. He has to follow the precedents laid down for him by the Second Circuit and the Supreme Court. As a result, it would be consistent with a conservative philosophy (however you want to define that) to apply the law in this fashion, even if he personally thinks that the law is unconstitutional.

    Either way, thank you for being so up front and polite.
    You make a good point here. I need to take a very good look at the Voting Rights Act. From what I can tell so far it was done under the 15th amendment. What I do know is the 15th amendment has nothing in it that should allow for the actions that were taken, because nobodies vote was being denied except for maybe illegal immigrants. Which leads me to question if the Voting Rights Act itself is unconstitutional if it was what they used to justify these actions. I'll try to take a look soon and see if I can find out what part of the Voting Rights Act they are using to do this. Thanks for the correction to my previous post.
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    Re: Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mcygee View Post
    You make a good point here. I need to take a very good look at the Voting Rights Act. From what I can tell so far it was done under the 15th amendment. What I do know is the 15th amendment has nothing in it that should allow for the actions that were taken, because nobodies vote was being denied except for maybe illegal immigrants. Which leads me to question if the Voting Rights Act itself is unconstitutional if it was what they used to justify these actions. I'll try to take a look soon and see if I can find out what part of the Voting Rights Act they are using to do this. Thanks for the correction to my previous post.
    One thing that the VRA does NOT do is give ANYONE the power to declare that the legitimate result of a legal election violates the Constitution, OR allow judges (or anyone else) to create election law that has the intent to favor a given result for any election.

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