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    Re: Oklahoma to Pass Laws Prohibiting Islamic Sharia Laws to Apply

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    How does it?
    Because our courts cannot rule by religious doctrine. They can only rule by the laws of the land, man made rules. We do not allow Christian or Jewish law into our criminal court system. Why do you think there is fear that Islamic law will be implemented? There is no rational reason to believe so.
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    Re: Oklahoma to Pass Laws Prohibiting Islamic Sharia Laws to Apply

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because our courts cannot rule by religious doctrine. They can only rule by the laws of the land, man made rules. We do not allow Christian or Jewish law into our criminal court system. Why do you think there is fear that Islamic law will be implemented? There is no rational reason to believe so.
    To me it's just common sense and rather sad that they have to define what laws can be used and applied and what can't.

    Here's the text of the amendment in question:
    C. The Courts provided for in subsection A of this section, when exercising their judicial authority, shall uphold and adhere to the law as provided in the United States Code, federal regulations promulgated pursuant thereto, established common law, the Oklahoma Statutes and rules promulgated pursuant thereto, and if necessary the law of another state of the United States provided the law of the other state does not include Sharia Law, in making judicial decisions. The courts shall not look to the legal precepts of other nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider international or Sharia Law. The provisions of this subsection shall apply to all cases before the respective courts including, but not limited to, cases of first impression.
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    Re: Oklahoma to Pass Laws Prohibiting Islamic Sharia Laws to Apply

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    To me it's just common sense and rather sad that they have to define what laws can be used and applied and what can't.
    Incorrect, Spiker. What's sad is that they the state legislature thinks they have the ability to define what laws can be used and applied and what can't. International law has a precise technical meaning, it is the law among nations that arises by treaties and international custom. It is the reason why, for example, international waters begin six miles off the coast.

    International law is identical to federal law. States cannot limit the ability of courts to apply international law!

    I am completely perplexed as to what it is about this concept that is so difficult to understand.

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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Funny... So I am guessing that they will ban Jewish law and native American courts too right? If not, then it is another racist xenophobic attempt by the far right in the US.
    If you knew anything about our country, you would know that is no such thing as "Jewish law" and "native American courts". Everyone here, lives under one set of laws.
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you knew anything about our country, you would know that is no such thing as "Jewish law" and "native American courts". Everyone here, lives under one set of laws.
    I can't speak to Jewish law, but you are incorrect about Native American courts. Tribal Courts do exist, and recognized Native American tribes and bands are considered sovereigns under United States law.

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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    I think this law is a good thing and should be enacted on a federal level. Islam and Islamic law are not compatable with democracy. We should do everything posible to discourage muslims from practicing there oppressive system of law in the United States. Including passing laws that keep shria from creeping into our justice system. Better yet, muslims should not immigrate to the west at all. Better they stay in the hell holes whence they came. And if they were born here they should consider moving to an Islamic country far from freedom and liberty where they can submit totally to thier ****ed up god.
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Funny... So I am guessing that they will ban Jewish law and native American courts too right? If not, then it is another racist xenophobic attempt by the far right in the US.
    Muslim is a race?
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How often is Sharia used by judges to decide cases? This sounds like something done just for popularity, since really, it has zero real effect on anything.
    Quite a bit in the U.K. actually.

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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Funny... So I am guessing that they will ban Jewish law and native American courts too right? If not, then it is another racist xenophobic attempt by the far right in the US.
    I know why do those right wing Nazi racists want to ban a legal system which promotes wife beating, and death for apostasy and homosexuality. Those fascists. Here's a net, go catch a clue.

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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And that is exactly what Sharia law and those who want to use it have to do. Sharia law has been used in the US among the Muslim community for years if not centuries. As long as what they are doing is within the legal framework of the US justice system, then there is nothing to prevent them from doing it if both parties agree. It is no different than Jewish courts in the US, who use Jewish religious law in disputes such as divorce and financial matters.
    No different whatsoever, except I wasn't aware that Judaic Law still mandates the death penalty for apostasy and sodomy. I was likewise not aware that Judaic law still condoned and sanctioned wife beating. All five schools of Islamic jurisprudence promote those maxims it is the mainstream view, it has no place in this country or in the civilized world for that matter.

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