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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Funny... So I am guessing that they will ban Jewish law and native American courts too right? If not, then it is another racist xenophobic attempt by the far right in the US.
    Xenophobic, sure. But I don't see this as racist. Islam is not a race, but a culture.

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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Funny... So I am guessing that they will ban Jewish law and native American courts too right? If not, then it is another racist xenophobic attempt by the far right in the US.
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Funny... So I am guessing that they will ban Jewish law and native American courts too right? If not, then it is another racist xenophobic attempt by the far right in the US.
    Since when is Islam a race, exactly..?
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    "It should not matter what France might do, what Great Britain might do, or what the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia might do," Duncan said. "Court decisions ought to be based on federal law, or state law."
    I think they titled the article to be very misleading - they picked out the "Sharia law" bit because it would get people's attention. However, it is far more common for people to draw on what "Britain/France" did when making a decision. . . not "what Sharia law states"

    I agree that judges and legislatures (for that matter) within the US should only consider US law and precedent. That's just common sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Funny... So I am guessing that they will ban Jewish law and native American courts too right? If not, then it is another racist xenophobic attempt by the far right in the US.
    Well, Native American tribunals have their own respective laws and precedents, however, they also must adhere to the laws of the US within a degree - what degree, I don't know. But they are an intricate part of our country, we're wrapped together.

    Jewish law? What law is that and what country does that center around?

    This legislation is merely trying to keep judges from saying "In Italy they ___" or "In Czechoslovakia they would ____" . . . even "In Israel they would ____ and ____" - They're saying that *no* other country's laws should be considered - only *us* laws.
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Slightly OT, but many of the large U.S. banks have offered Shariah compliant banking for several years. Pre 9/11 even. They have just never really advertised the services very much.
    Which is completely legal if the government isnt forcing them.
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Xenophobic, sure. But I don't see this as racist. Islam is not a race, but a culture.
    I wouldn't even call it xenophobic since it represents the rejection of a legal institution -- a profoundly illiberal one at that.
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Some places in the U.S. have a thing about salt --- so it's banned. Most states have a thing about smoking --- so that's banned. Many have a thing about texting while walking/driving - so that's banned. Oklahoma has a thing about Sharia law...
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well, Native American tribunals have their own respective laws and precedents, however, they also must adhere to the laws of the US within a degree - what degree, I don't know. But they are an intricate part of our country, we're wrapped together.
    And that is exactly what Sharia law and those who want to use it have to do. Sharia law has been used in the US among the Muslim community for years if not centuries. As long as what they are doing is within the legal framework of the US justice system, then there is nothing to prevent them from doing it if both parties agree. It is no different than Jewish courts in the US, who use Jewish religious law in disputes such as divorce and financial matters.

    Jewish law? What law is that and what country does that center around?
    Jewish religious law. As long as both parties agree on using it, and it is within the framework of US law, and the legal aspects of US law are followed, then nothing prevents them from doing so.

    Jewish religious courts have existed in the US, and Europe for centuries.

    This legislation is merely trying to keep judges from saying "In Italy they ___" or "In Czechoslovakia they would ____" . . . even "In Israel they would ____ and ____" - They're saying that *no* other country's laws should be considered - only *us* laws.
    And so what? Judges have used other countries rulings as inspiration in interpretation of laws passed by the legislative, who btw, OFTEN use other countries laws and ways as motivation for the freaking laws and rules they are passing.. so it is more to do about nothing and more fearmongering and xenophobia by the US right.

    Basically they still pissed over Rove VS Wade...
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Some places in the U.S. have a thing about salt --- so it's banned. Most states have a thing about smoking --- so that's banned. Many have a thing about texting while walking/driving - so that's banned. Oklahoma has a thing about Sharia law...
    Can you name a place in the US where Sharia Law has been implemented?
    I'm fine with this bill if it's rewritten to include all religious law.
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    Re: Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Some places in the U.S. have a thing about salt --- so it's banned. Most states have a thing about smoking --- so that's banned. Many have a thing about texting while walking/driving - so that's banned. Oklahoma has a thing about Sharia law...
    The difference being that the rest of those things do exist in those places. Sharia law in Oklahoma courts, not so much.
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