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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Their story doesn't make any sense, that's why.

    If they were scared, they'd have said where they were from. If they were students, they'd have said where they were from. They asked a loaded question to start the conversation off. They knew where the Senator would be - he was not at the Capital where one usually finds Senators. They had cameras ready and rolling, and they asked a loaded question.

    These were not "just kids."

    They had to know where the Senator was, get there at the right time, know what he looked like, asked a loaded question, didn't respond candidly when asked a question about who they were, you argue that they were scared but a scared person would answer the question...

    Then they made sure to send the video out to a political Internet site, but made sure to cover their tracks as they did so - they didn't turn it over to their professor or their parents. They sent it to a political site so it would gain attention.

    This story doesn't make sense. There's more to it than this.

    I don't have to know the truth in order to see the lie.
    So you are guessing. That's what I thought.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    If that were actually the end of the story, I'd agree with you.

    However, I think that right now it appears that a competing political interest used some very young people in a very unscrupulous and insidious way, in an attempt to manipulate and control the general population on the merit of emotion rather than the substance of issues.
    Have any evidence to back up this flight of fancy?

    Oh, and yes, the Congressman responded poorly.
    Which is the only thing that the video actually shows.

    I'm more worried about the sneaky, manipulative, lying propagandists that would take advantage of and enlist young people to do their dirty work.
    This is pretty hilarious. When two conservative kids go out there and engage in gotcha journalism, it must be because some shadowy propagandists paid them to do so because conservative students are too stupid to come up with this on their own.

    When millions of students went out to campaign on behalf of Obama, was that because they were being tricked into doing it by sneaky, manipulative, lying propagandists, or was it because they chose to do it?

    Where's the line where someone goes from mindless pawn to intelligent activist?

    Obviously if they could win on the merits of their argument, they would. They can't, so they're using this tactic instead. Logically then, whatever their goal may be is likely not in our best interests as a society.
    There's nothing logical about this train of thought. Because someone asks someone a confrontational question, their goal is contrary to the best interests of our society?

    What's more important, the temper of a congressman when he's set up for exactly that occurance, or a group of people that are manipulating children, engaging in propaganda, and trying to sneak in policies and agendas that wouldn't be passed if they were dealt with honestly?
    I'm more concerned about how many people in this country refuse to accept things that challenge their carefully constructed worldview.
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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Their story doesn't make any sense, that's why.

    If they were scared, they'd have said where they were from. If they were students, they'd have said where they were from. They asked a loaded question to start the conversation off. They knew where the Senator would be - he was not at the Capital where one usually finds Senators. They had cameras ready and rolling, and they asked a loaded question.

    These were not "just kids."

    They had to know where the Senator was, get there at the right time, know what he looked like, asked a loaded question, didn't respond candidly when asked a question about who they were, you argue that they were scared but a scared person would answer the question...

    Then they made sure to send the video out to a political Internet site, but made sure to cover their tracks as they did so - they didn't turn it over to their professor or their parents. They sent it to a political site so it would gain attention.

    This story doesn't make sense. There's more to it than this.

    I don't have to know the truth in order to see the lie.
    So it's your contention that some faceless cabal insinuated itself into the lives of these young boys and manipulated them into being at the right place at the wrong time for Congressman Etheridge...and that this insidious illuminati rival urged them to ask just the right question (Do you support Obama's agenda?) to set said congressman off on an embarassing tirade and an assault on a minor.

    You do see how ridiculous you sound, right?

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Have any evidence to back up this legitimate statement that their actions don't follow any sense of logic?
    I fixed your question for you.

    And yes, I've explained myself often enough now that I'm confident you're choosing not to acknowledge it rather than it actually being confusing to you.

    Pretending it isn't there doesn't make it go away.

    If anything, it's more telling that you're not curious as to why and how the trackers were there as well.
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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    I fixed your question for you.

    And yes, I've explained myself often enough now that I'm confident you're choosing not to acknowledge it rather than it actually being confusing to you.

    Pretending it isn't there doesn't make it go away.

    If anything, it's more telling that you're not curious as to why and how the trackers were there as well.
    Well here's a deal: you present evidence of this and I will accept it. Until then, this is nothing but some unfounded conspiracy theory on your part. End of discussion.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well here's a deal: you present evidence of this and I will accept it. Until then, this is nothing but some unfounded conspiracy theory on your part. End of discussion.
    I wasn't aware you got to tell me when the discussion ended. In fact, I'm still not aware of that.

    I've laid out the reasons that the claim that these were just innocent kids doesn't make sense.

    Some will choose to try to sweep that aside or ignore it. Others will look at it objectively.

    Which you personally choose to do isn't really my problem. I feel I've been objective and credible in every comment I've made so far, without side-stepping anything and without playing partisan stunts. I think that others reading this thread would probably come to the same conclusion.

    I'm content to let it sit where we're at if you are.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Even some conservatives acknowledge that it's a set up, and even warn that this is a sign of things to come.

    If these are the kinds of politics you really want to have at the forefront of discussions on what's good for our nation and our people, I guess that's your choice.

    I'd rather discuss the issues, find logical solutions, and make our nation stronger rather than play at Jerry Springer goes to Washington.

    I guess many would rather see their children grow up in a society dictated by who can sling the most mud, rather than one that makes decisions based on integrity and reason.

    If you think for a moment that letting our own party get away with it is where it will end, you're mistaken. The Democrats are perfectly willing to engage in this kind of behavior if that door is opened. Only citizens who demand integrity in their political process can prevent what's already a very dishonest and manipulative political machine from becoming even more corrupt and dishonest.

    I guess some folks would rather see their team win by cheating and have the result be an even bigger mess of American politics than to hold people accountable.

    Bad news guys, know what's wrong with American politics? It's not the politicians. They're doing what they have to do to try to get in there and make some progress. It's the people that dictate the dishonesty - when we condone or allow it. This case is a perfect example.

    Get used to ambushing, trackers, and this kind of political engagement. We no longer need to discuss any issues. We just need to engage in smut journalism. Who cares what the issue is, or what's wrong or right with the country or its policies? We needn't be bothered with intelligent discussions. Let's just sling mud and see who comes out dirtiest to decide the winner, the policy, and the future of our children.



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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Even some conservatives acknowledge that it's a set up, and even warn that this is a sign of things to come.

    If these are the kinds of politics you really want to have at the forefront of discussions on what's good for our nation and our people, I guess that's your choice.

    I'd rather discuss the issues, find logical solutions, and make our nation stronger rather than play at Jerry Springer goes to Washington.

    I guess many would rather see their children grow up in a society dictated by who can sling the most mud, rather than one that makes decisions based on integrity and reason.

    If you think for a moment that letting our own party get away with it is where it will end, you're mistaken. The Democrats are perfectly willing to engage in this kind of behavior if that door is opened. Only citizens who demand integrity in their political process can prevent what's already a very dishonest and manipulative political machine from becoming even more corrupt and dishonest.

    I guess some folks would rather see their team win by cheating and have the result be an even bigger mess of American politics than to hold people accountable.

    Bad news guys, know what's wrong with American politics? It's not the politicians. They're doing what they have to do to try to get in there and make some progress. It's the people that dictate the dishonesty - when we condone or allow it. This case is a perfect example.

    Get used to ambushing, trackers, and this kind of political engagement. We no longer need to discuss any issues. We just need to engage in smut journalism. Who cares what the issue is, or what's wrong or right with the country or its policies? We needn't be bothered with intelligent discussions. Let's just sling mud and see who comes out dirtiest to decide the winner, the policy, and the future of our children.



    Integrity is not a sometimes thing.
    So one guy writing an opinion piece in the Washington Post turns into "some conservatives"? Interesting. Plus, he doesn't acknowledge that it's a set up, he theorizes that it's a possibility because we know nothing about these kids. And no, you clearly aren't interested in logical solutions because there is absolutely no evidence to suggest anything as nefarious as you are suggesting about these kids. Your assertion sounds like a conspiracy theory and nothing more, and until you have evidence to back up your claims you really have nothing.

    Frankly, I could care less who they are. Even if they are a part of some big conspiracy, it still doesn't justify what Etheridge did.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    So one guy writing an opinion piece in the Washington Post turns into "some conservatives"?
    No, the guy writing the opinion piece works for the Washington Post. I'd suspect he's pretty liberal. The person he spoke to that is a conservative political avtivist however...

    Frankly, I could care less who they are.
    Then you're exactly who I'm calling out.

    Even if they are a part of some big conspiracy, it still doesn't justify what Etheridge did.
    I never said it did.

    I just find it fascinating that the very people who claim that politicians are deceitful are the same people who encourage it, force it to be that way, and cheer when it's done. The reason our political landscape is so full of lies isn't because of the politicians - they're just doing what they have to do to try to get in there and make some progress. The reason our politicians lie, cheat, and manipulate is because the people they work for force them to do so.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    No, the guy writing the opinion piece works for the Washington Post. I'd suspect he's pretty liberal. The person he spoke to that is a conservative political avtivist however...
    Yes, David Weigel works for the Washington Post. He primarily blogs on Libertarian and Conservative issues. Plus, he contributes to a Libertarian magazine, which makes me assume that he himself is a Conservative. I still fail to see how that turns into "some Conservatives". Plus, in your link he doesn't acknowledge that there is some vast conspiracy. He gives it as a possibility and acknowledges that we don't know right now. Frankly, I'd rather deal with what we do know than theorize about possibilities.

    Then you're exactly who I'm calling out.
    Well, good luck.

    I never said it did.

    I just find it fascinating that the very people who claim that politicians are deceitful are the same people who encourage it, force it to be that way, and cheer when it's done. The reason our political landscape is so full of lies isn't because of the politicians - they're just doing what they have to do to try to get in there and make some progress. The reason our politicians lie, cheat, and manipulate is because the people they work for force them to do so.
    Are you kidding me? What happened to taking responsibility for your own actions?

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