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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    Just because someone takes an action that is legal doesn't make their action morally right, and I think we all know that.

    Aren't conservatives supposed to be the party of values? Why don't you want to know who these trackers were?
    Well, thankfully your moral views don't dictate the law. I have no idea as I'm not a conservative. I don't really care who they are. It wouldn't change a single thing about my views on this.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    So one person's actions do excuse another's in your view?
    In this case, one person's actions were irrelevant to the others.

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    You also aren't interested in finding out why the claims of the trackers don't make sense?
    What claims?
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    So you're not interested in additional information that may add context?
    Sure. Post the context.

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    You're not interested in the whole story, but just the story that makes the Democrat look bad?
    It has nothing to do with a Democrat - it has to do with an assault. Unless you're claiming the "whole story" ends in a self-defense claim... the rest of the story is irrelevant.

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    Fair enough. Each to their own.
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    I'm more interested in justice and application of the law equally, no matter the "team".

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    You're allowed to feel differently, however, and I respect your right to do so.
    Ok.
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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What right is there to shove a camera in peoples faces and start asking questions? Freedom of the press. Well the press is held accountable for what they report and do. These guys are anon.
    So what crime did they commit here? By asking a question? And no, they didn't get in his face. He was walking towards them.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Well, thankfully your moral views don't dictate the law. I have no idea as I'm not a conservative. I don't really care who they are. It wouldn't change a single thing about my views on this.
    I agree. Well put.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    We did get the whole story: two immature kids did an immature thing which resulted in an assault by a congressman. The two immature kids might be part of the exposition, but the climax and conclusion of this story remain the same: the congressman behaved very, very badly and in a totally inappropriate way.
    If that were actually the end of the story, I'd agree with you.

    However, I think that right now it appears that a competing political interest used some very young people in a very unscrupulous and insidious way, in an attempt to manipulate and control the general population on the merit of emotion rather than the substance of issues. Oh, and yes, the Congressman responded poorly.

    I'm more worried about the sneaky, manipulative, lying propagandists that would take advantage of and enlist young people to do their dirty work. Obviously if they could win on the merits of their argument, they would. They can't, so they're using this tactic instead. Logically then, whatever their goal may be is likely not in our best interests as a society.

    What's more important, the temper of a congressman when he's set up for exactly that occurance, or a group of people that are manipulating children, engaging in propaganda, and trying to sneak in policies and agendas that wouldn't be passed if they were dealt with honestly?

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    If that were actually the end of the story, I'd agree with you.

    However, I think that right now it appears that a competing political interest used some very young people in a very unscrupulous and insidious way, in an attempt to manipulate and control the general population on the merit of emotion rather than the substance of issues. Oh, and yes, the Congressman responded poorly.
    And what evidence do you have to back your assertion that these kids were used as pawns? Telling them to "**** off" would be responding poorly. He got physical with them.

    I'm more worried about the sneaky, manipulative, lying propagandists that would take advantage of and enlist young people to do their dirty work. Obviously if they could win on the merits of their argument, they would. They can't, so they're using this tactic instead. Logically then, whatever their goal may be is likely not in our best interests as a society.
    I'm concerned that you think it is some insidious partisan plot rather than two kids simply asking a pointed question of a Congressman.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    If that were actually the end of the story, I'd agree with you.
    It is the end of the story.

    However, I think that right now it appears that a competing political interest used some very young people in a very unscrupulous and insidious way, in an attempt to manipulate and control the general population on the merit of emotion rather than the substance of issues. Oh, and yes, the Congressman responded poorly.
    When there is some legitimate proof of this presented, then we can address the ill behavior of those rivals. However, the fact remains that an assault was made by a congressman. On two kids, no less.

    I'm more worried about the sneaky, manipulative, lying propagandists that would take advantage of and enlist young people to do their dirty work. Obviously if they could win on the merits of their argument, they would. They can't, so they're using this tactic instead. Logically then, whatever their goal may be is likely not in our best interests as a society.
    If this is proven to be true, then by all means, I will be worried about them, too. Until then, I am concerning myself with facts and the fact is there is a congressman who thinks it is appropriate to assault young people for asking questions. There's no reason for a man of his age to be assaulting kids except in self defense. Let's deal with that first.


    What's more important, the temper of a congressman when he's set up for exactly that occurance, or a group of people that are manipulating children, engaging in propaganda, and trying to sneak in policies and agendas that wouldn't be passed if they were dealt with honestly?
    Neither is of more importance than the other. Which came first? The chicken or the egg? And frankly, I am not going to claim these guys were manipulated because I don't know if they were or not. However, I do know that one was assaulted and who he was assaulted by. Let's deal with the facts as they come available.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Need i even reply to that Alastor? What an argumentative mess you have become in this thread.
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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    And what evidence do you have to back your assertion that these kids were used as pawns?
    Their story doesn't make any sense, that's why.

    If they were scared, they'd have said where they were from. If they were students, they'd have said where they were from. They asked a loaded question to start the conversation off. They knew where the Senator would be - he was not at the Capital where one usually finds Senators. They had cameras ready and rolling, and they asked a loaded question.

    These were not "just kids."

    They had to know where the Senator was, get there at the right time, know what he looked like, asked a loaded question, didn't respond candidly when asked a question about who they were, you argue that they were scared but a scared person would answer the question...

    Then they made sure to send the video out to a political Internet site, but made sure to cover their tracks as they did so - they didn't turn it over to their professor or their parents. They sent it to a political site so it would gain attention.

    This story doesn't make sense. There's more to it than this.

    I don't have to know the truth in order to see the lie.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And if they were - how would that change the reaction of Etheridge or change the result? My point is... it doesn't matter.
    I agree. That is why I used the eyeroll emoticon.
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