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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Rev, come on, we already covered this. Not assault, battery.

    And you were doing so well...

    "Completely" in the wrong...? He overreacted to two O'Keef wannabe schmucks. He's guilty of being hot-headed.

    But he gets a tip of my hat for making these two assholes wet their pants and shake with fear...
    Not even the Congressman is attempting to argue he was in any way in the "right."

    “I have seen the video posted on several blogs. I deeply and profoundly regret my reaction and I apologize to all involved. Throughout my many years of service to the people of North Carolina, I have always tried to treat people from all viewpoints with respect. No matter how intrusive and partisan our politics can become, this does not justify a poor response. I have and I will always work to promote a civil public discourse.”
    What they guy did was idiotic.. was it assault, probably not really, but he could have and should have handled it better.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Your ignorance of the law is a good smoke screen...






    He gets a tip of the hat for doing something you'd piss your pants if it were done to you.... Which is why you cower from answering my question.


    But it's good to see you tip your hat to violence.
    So I'm gonna pick up rev's question now because I want to see the answer from hazlnut: what would YOU, hazlnut, have done if rev did the same thing to you that Etheridge did to those kids? Would you be so flippant about dismissing it as a "hyuck hycuk hyuck...he sure showed me" situation?

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So I'm gonna pick up rev's question now because I want to see the answer from hazlnut: what would YOU, hazlnut, have done if rev did the same thing to you that Etheridge did to those kids? Would you be so flippant about dismissing it as a "hyuck hycuk hyuck...he sure showed me" situation?
    I second the question and the assertion that it implies.

    To be blunt, I don't think Hazlnut is being honest or displaying much character here. I think we all know what we'd do if physically accosted in that manner. Some might fight back, some might flee, some might sue, but we'd all react quite negatively and that's just common sense.

    I think the portrayal of it as an acceptable response or a response that was appropriate is disingenuous - if not downright dishonest.

    I don't think any of us, regardless of which party we affiliate with, could say this was an acceptable response. That said, I also think it's clear that the cameramen in question were indeed political plants and that they intended to provoke a negative response. I'd also be curious to see what the rest of the video (unedited) looked like.

    The "cameramen" didn't state their names. They haven't filed a lawsuit. They didn't claim the video so they're probably not bloggers. They're also probably not actually college students. They're probably liars, and they were activists working for a political agenda. The longer they remain anonymous and the care they're putting into doing so shows circumstantial yet powerfully compelling evidence that this was a set-up.

    That said, Etheridge did indeed walk right into it, reacted poorly, and there's really no excuse for his actions.

    To take a stance other than that either lacks integrity, intelligence, or both.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    I wonder if Groucho would agree with hazlnut.
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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    I'd be curious if anybody working in the mental health field on this forum would agree that Etheridge displayed something remarkably similar to a psychotic or schizophrenic episode. Any discussion of this being a "political gaffe" seems extremely beside the point as Etheridge was clearly not playing with a full deck here. Every time he said "who are you" he seemed to me to be seeing something other than a kid reporter, like a shadowy foreign agent or a Body Snatcher or something. And the way that he hugged the kid to him with one arm for no apparent reason was craaaazy.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'd be curious if anybody working in the mental health field on this forum would agree that Etheridge displayed something remarkably similar to a psychotic or schizophrenic episode. Any discussion of this being a "political gaffe" seems extremely beside the point as Etheridge was clearly not playing with a full deck here. Every time he said "who are you" he seemed to me to be seeing something other than a kid reporter, like a shadowy foreign agent or a Body Snatcher or something. And the way that he hugged the kid to him with one arm for no apparent reason was craaaazy.
    I doubt it. I think he was just out of a rather intense engagement (whether positive or negative, it was a candid and challenging event I'd wager).

    He was stressed, he sensed something was up and he was being trapped, and he just got angry. I don't think there's anything strange here. I think he just lost his temper, as many of us would do. Again I'd point out that this doesn't excuse his actions. It's not meant as an excuse; just an explanation.

    I see no reason to read into it beyond an unfortunate circumstance where someone looked for a reaction and got one.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Obama would probably say, "Yes, I do support my agenda."
    I think this point is sort of getting ignored throughout this discussion, which is a shame. Does anyone doubt that if these kids had asked the same question to Obama (or Biden/Reid/Pelosi/Clinton/etc.) they would have gotten a raised eyebrow, a smooth comment, and little more?

    Politicians are faced with **** like this all the time. The vast majority of them are experienced enough to deal with it in an entirely appropriate manner. For whatever reason, this guy reacted poorly. That simple.

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    I think a blogger would want to take credit for their video.

    A college student would also have no reason not to identify themselves now.

    Chances are good, these two guys are not who they appear to be.
    You really can't think of a reason why these two kids wouldn't want to identify themselves?

    If their names were known, their pictures would be on the front page of dailykos and huffpost as we speak. There would have been hundreds of people combing through every single detail of their lives, looking for things to use to smear or otherwise discredit them. For the rest of their lives, anyone googling their names would come up with a dozen pages full of people attacking them.

    What I don't understand are the people who are eager to put their name out there on controversial issues like this. To each their own.
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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    You really can't think of a reason why these two kids wouldn't want to identify themselves?

    If their names were known, their pictures would be on the front page of dailykos and huffpost as we speak. There would have been hundreds of people combing through every single detail of their lives, looking for things to use to smear or otherwise discredit them. For the rest of their lives, anyone googling their names would come up with a dozen pages full of people attacking them.

    What I don't understand are the people who are eager to put their name out there on controversial issues like this. To each their own.
    From what I can tell most journalist want credit for there work.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You really can't think of a reason why these two kids wouldn't want to identify themselves?

    If their names were known, their pictures would be on the front page of dailykos and huffpost as we speak. There would have been hundreds of people combing through every single detail of their lives, looking for things to use to smear or otherwise discredit them. For the rest of their lives, anyone googling their names would come up with a dozen pages full of people attacking them.
    In that case, I think hypcrisy is something else we can add to the list.

    Also, if they didn't want attention, I'd question why they ambushed a senator during broad daylight on a Washington DC street with three cameras rolling and then sent the video to a popular Internet site.

    No, they wanted attention... Just not on themselves. I think one would have to believe I was stupid to try to convince me otherwise.

    They most certainly did want attention - just in a way they controlled.

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    Re: Etheridge caught in on-camera confrontation

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    Politicians are faced with **** like this all the time. The vast majority of them are experienced enough to deal with it in an entirely appropriate manner. For whatever reason, this guy reacted poorly. That simple.
    Yes they are subjected to this all the time, however, you're under cutting the severity of said reaction... it was a "poor" reaction it was an illegal reaction. He literally assaulted the person depicted. Perhaps you saying "assault" is a simple reaction. Would you support misdemeanor assault charges against him were they to be brought forth?



    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What I don't understand are the people who are eager to put their name out there on controversial issues like this. To each their own.
    Fame. I think if these kids caught a stupid remark on tape, they'd be happy to take credit for it. That this guy assaulted one of them - changes the perspective a bit. Now they don't want that kind of press --- imagine MSNBC raking these kids over the coals making them look like right wing kooks or looking into their family's backgrounds and finding a Mom DUI or something else in the closet? Then again, they can't just sit back and make like this didn't happen either... so their stuck. Hopefully they'll use the time to prepare for the partisan hacks and "journalistic investigations" of everything they or their family's ever did.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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