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    Re: U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?src=me&ref=general]Wow, that's just...awesome. This could be a path to stability and prosperity for a country that seemed to have no hope of either.
    That may be the case if other countries don't frak it up for Afghanistan.

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    Re: U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan

    Resource abundance offers no assurance of development and economic prosperity. Yemen and Nigeria are case examples where resource abundance has failed to provide such benefits. Given that Afghanistan has a government of suspect legitimacy, has been and remains widely corrupt, and is very provincial in nature, along with Afghanistan's being a fragmented society where genuine authority is diffuse, resource abundance probably won't lead to great benefits in the near-term or medium-term for Afghanistan, much less political stability.

    Political stability will require bringing together the nation's tribal leaders--perhaps even starting over on that front--slowly building from there. It will also require military success against the Taliban, but the current Kabul-centric strategy/seeming lack of contingency planning that are playing out in delayed achievement of outcomes increasingly makes a muddy outcome probably more likely than a clear and sustained success. Developments in post-Musharraf Pakistan add to the challenges affecting Afghanistan. Finally, even if a strong central government emerges in Afghanistan, there is little guarantee that the government would not assume ownership of the resources, leading to the benefits/wealth from such resources flowing to the government and its cronies, while the vast majority of the population benefits little and enjoys little accountability from a government that does not depend on their tax revenue to fund its operations.

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    Re: U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan

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    U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan - NYTimes.com



    Wow, that's just...awesome. This could be a path to stability and prosperity for a country that seemed to have no hope of either.
    The US has vast riches but only 1% of the population gets much from them except to work their asses off for the barons of industry.

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    Re: U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    The US has vast riches but only 1% of the population gets much from them except to work their asses off for the barons of industry.
    I know man, if only we lived in a real resource state like Saudi Arabia or something.

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    Re: U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I know man, if only we lived in a real resource state like Saudi Arabia or something.
    I prefer it here as you can see by my veteran status.

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    Re: U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan

    No blood for lithium!

    In all seriousness, this is great news. Does it make it a certianty that things turn around in Afghanistan? No. However it increases the likelihood and gives some reason hope for the state in the future at least. Here's hoping it can work out in a positive way.

    Oh, and in regards to most of us not seeing the benefit of our rich stores of resources in the US. Look at our quality of life, even for many of the "poor" in this country but especially the middle class, and compare it to many various portions of the world. While you may not see direect profits from it there is a definite tangible benefit we all recieve due to boons the US has in regards to its economic prowess.

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    Re: U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Resource abundance offers no assurance of development and economic prosperity. Yemen and Nigeria are case examples where resource abundance has failed to provide such benefits. Given that Afghanistan has a government of suspect legitimacy, has been and remains widely corrupt, and is very provincial in nature, along with Afghanistan's being a fragmented society where genuine authority is diffuse, resource abundance probably won't lead to great benefits in the near-term or medium-term for Afghanistan, much less political stability.
    economic development doesn't even assure economic prosperity. It requires a combination of: [1] political stability [2] an internally near-free market [3] some degree of early protectionism [4] a developing entrepreneurial class [5] luck.
    It will require political stability before any of the other factors can be assessed. A soldier might be capable of starting a damn good company, but we won't know until there is the incentive (financial included) to turn roles.
    Political stability will require bringing together the nation's tribal leaders--perhaps even starting over on that front--slowly building from there. It will also require military success against the Taliban, but the current Kabul-centric strategy/seeming lack of contingency planning that are playing out in delayed achievement of outcomes increasingly makes a muddy outcome probably more likely than a clear and sustained success. Developments in post-Musharraf Pakistan add to the challenges affecting Afghanistan. Finally, even if a strong central government emerges in Afghanistan, there is little guarantee that the government would not assume ownership of the resources, leading to the benefits/wealth from such resources flowing to the government and its cronies, while the vast majority of the population benefits little and enjoys little accountability from a government that does not depend on their tax revenue to fund its operations.
    Good point. We must also recognize India's willingness to play a role in Afghanistan's future, as a proxy-act against Pakistan.
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    Re: U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    The US has vast riches but only 1% of the population gets much from them except to work their asses off for the barons of industry.
    ....and live in the most posh, advantaged, comfy land in the history of the planet. Do you expect a check from the government for $100,000 every year for just being born here?

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    Re: U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan

    Tell that to Australia. Their single most valuable exports are raw minerals and fuels not finished goods and they seem to be making a killing off of it.
    Australia is a stable democracy that was formed by imported British people with strong republican traditions. Afghanistan is currently divided between tribal and religious warlords mostly growing opium and fighting the Americans and each other. Manufacturing turns natural resources into jobs that actually employ the populace and put some money into local economy. Exporting them will likely result in all the money being snarfed up by a warlord without doing anything useful for the populace at large.

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    Re: U.S. Identifies Vast Riches of Minerals in Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Natural resources tend to be of little value to local populace if they are just snatched up by local despots and exported. Instead, they need to form a real economy that uses local resource to manufacture a complete product and sell it. I'd suggest trying to build lithium battery producing factories or something comparable if you want any hope of an actual economy. The war is a serious impediment, but its better than just sending more troops and hoping the situation will get better.
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