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Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

1069 said:
Discrimination against homosexuals is not about "sexual preference".
It's about sexual orientation, which is as innate as race.

One might as well say Jim Crow Laws were about "pigmentation preference", and therefore the discrimination was legitimate.

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After all, black people could just paint themselves white if they didn't want to be living with such a sinful skin pigmentation. (/sarcasm)
 
Deuce said:
Amazing how an issue can be so divisive in the United States but in Iceland someone said "Hey let's legalize same sex marriage" and their entire legislature said "Hey yeah let's do that."
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This is because most people in Europe are living in the 21st century, and they think like mature adults. ;)
 
Deuce said:
It's not the same situation but it is a similar one, and the support for same-sex marriage is steadily growing. In fact, there's an almost directly linear correlation between age and support. Old people hate the idea by a huge margin, young people are about dead even now. As the older generations start to die off, you'll see a clear majority in favor of same-sex marriage I bet. So yes, he's right in a manner of speaking. There's no majority now but I expect there will be in the near future.
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Please point out where I said it would not ever have a majority? My point was it will not happen in the next 10 years going by the evidence we have.

Deuce said:
It seems clear to me that religion is the only reason this hasn't been done already. Like one of the first responders said, once you take religion out of the equation there aren't really any arguments against same-sex marriage.
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If religion was not in the mix, gay marriage would still be a hot issue because it has not been accepted by other than religion for centuries.

Singularity said:
Actually it does. Currently, the majority of Americans are against gay marriage, but the trend shows a definitive acceptance, which will eventually lead to legalization. This is especially true amongst the younger voters (18-30) from older polls (Americans' Acceptance of Gay Relations Crosses 50% Threshold).

Those in favor of gay marriage simply have to wait. Eventually all DOMA laws will struck down, given the general drift towards acceptance.
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I agree it will happen at some point. Maybe in the next 20 to 30 years.

1069 said:
Discrimination against homosexuals is not about "sexual preference".
It's about sexual orientation, which is as innate as race.
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Science has yet to say this is definitive. You can claim it all you like, but you know this does not make it true.

1069 said:
One might as well say Jim Crow Laws were about "pigmentation preference", and therefore the discrimination was legitimate.
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Jim Crow laws were laws specifically passed to stop people of a different race from doing what ever. There are no laws in the US specifically passed to single out homosexuals. They are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex like the rest of us.

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Civil1z@tion said:
So good for Iceland and hopefully more places (especially US states) will be rapidly joining the club.
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As I have shown it will probably be later rather than sooner.

Civil1z@tion said:
After all, black people could just paint themselves white if they didn't want to be living with such a sinful skin pigmentation. (/sarcasm)
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Do you have anything to contribute besides sarcasm?

Phantom said:
This is because most people in Europe are living in the 21st century, and they think like mature adults. ;)
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Says the guy who has this….

Afghanistan = Graveyard of empires.
NATO = North Atlantic Terrorist Organization.
Scientology = Fail.
Republicans = Delusional imperialists.

In his sig.
 
Well I guess all the straight marriages in Iceland are in trouble now!!!!!
 
I happen to agree with scientology=fail. And remember, NEVER capitalize scientology.
 
And the United States falls behind yet another country when it comes to freedom and human rights. So much for the United States being the "land of the free"....we've forfeited that title to many other countries that have more freedoms than us. Truly sad.
 
disneydude said:
And the United States falls behind yet another country when it comes to freedom and human rights. So much for the United States being the "land of the free"....we've forfeited that title to many other countries that have more freedoms than us. Truly sad.
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Oh, boy. I sense this thread will now turn in a very different direction.
 
Blackdog said:
That was about race, not a sexual preference.

The challenges and defeats in CA (a very liberal state) should clue you in on how this is going. In this case their is no clear cut majority for gay marriage. On top of that 23 states have already amended the state constitutions to define marriage as one man and one woman. more states are moving quickly to do the same or are out right banning it.

The evidence does not support your opinion.
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Support for same sex marriage is growing al the time.

And the case in California hasn't been decided yet at all. And the opposition to gay marriage side appears to be losing supporters there. That case in particular shows that it very well might be up to the courts, and could be decided sooner, rather than later. The experts are predicting that this one is likely to reach the SCOTUS, unless the opponents of gay marriage lose, and decide to give up their side of that fight before taking it that far.

The Associated Press: CA gay marriage trial to resume after long break

10 years is not an overly optomistic prediction on seeing gay marriage legally accepted throughout the US. Especially since it should only be a year or two when the military will most likely lift its ban on gays in the military. And there are lawsuits in the courts even now or coming soon, that will challenge the constitutionality of DOMA, including Gill v. Office of Personnel Management. If DOMA is declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS, then it will almost certainly come with a ruling that includes something about the Full Faith and Credit Clause, which DOMA most definitely violates.
 
I spent some time in Iceland. I found it a beautifuly place but a pagan country, and it's people were very immoral. Somehow, this newest abomination doesn't surprise me. Since there is now an active volcano going on., I wouldn't be surprised if the whole island goes up in smoake, soon.
 
roguenuke said:
Support for same sex marriage is growing al the time.
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As I said before to someone else please point out where I have said otherwise?

roguenuke said:
And the case in California hasn't been decided yet at all. And the opposition to gay marriage side appears to be losing supporters there. That case in particular shows that it very well might be up to the courts, and could be decided sooner, rather than later. The experts are predicting that this one is likely to reach the SCOTUS, unless the opponents of gay marriage lose, and decide to give up their side of that fight before taking it that far.
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And yet it was lost on a vote in a liberal state.

So again the evidence does not support your opinion.

roguenuke said:
The Associated Press: CA gay marriage trial to resume after long break

10 years is not an overly optomistic prediction on seeing gay marriage legally accepted throughout the US. Especially since it should only be a year or two when the military will most likely lift its ban on gays in the military.
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#1 The Military and gay issue is completely unaffected as even I support them serving in the military.

#2 No ban on gays in the military exists.

roguenuke said:
And there are lawsuits in the courts even now or coming soon, that will challenge the constitutionality of DOMA, including Gill v. Office of Personnel Management. If DOMA is declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS, then it will almost certainly come with a ruling that includes something about the Full Faith and Credit Clause, which DOMA most definitely violates.
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You have 6 fairly conservative Supreme Court justices. 1 is retiring but that will make no difference as they will still have a majority. So if any of these cases go anyplace near the SCOTUS, it will probably not be good for the next few years.

Again I am just going by the evidence and not wishful thinking. In reality it does not look real good in the short term.
 
disneydude said:
And the United States falls behind yet another country when it comes to freedom and human rights. So much for the United States being the "land of the free"....we've forfeited that title to many other countries that have more freedoms than us. Truly sad.
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Yeah, this is obviously the most pressing issue in America today. 2 homos 7 miles away are just WAITING for their chance to get married and the thought of that distresses you

btw....Marriage means jack**** in America as it is, so who cares. Plenty of straight people have destroyed the whole idea of marriage. I mean you can get married in a drive through, and divorced just as fast.
 
Does that mean the US agrees with Islamic nations on gay marriage?
 
bicycleman said:
I spent some time in Iceland. I found it a beautifuly place but a pagan country, and it's people were very immoral.
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Ok, I'm gonna go ahead and ask, what the **** are you talking about?

Somehow, this newest abomination doesn't surprise me. Since there is now an active volcano going on., I wouldn't be surprised if the whole island goes up in smoake, soon.
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Easy, Pat, it doesnt really work that way.
 
roguenuke said:
No, the SCOTUS has already ruled once before that caused a huge change in marriage laws, that were supported by the majority of people, because those laws were viewed as discriminatory. It is very likely that this will be dealt with the same way within the next 10 years, if not sooner.
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That was based on race not homosexuality.
 
ptif219 said:
Does that mean the US agrees with Islamic nations on gay marriage?
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No. We don't execute, torture or deport known homosexuals. :roll:
 
ptif219 said:
So we are more civil than Islam? So then why do liberals support islam and condemn Israel?
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Try using the word "some" when you post. It will help to make your statements far less ridiculous.

Oh, and this issue has zero to do with conservative vs. liberal. People who make it about that tend to demonstrate that they post like hacks.
 
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ptif219 said:
So we are more civil than Islam? So then why do liberals support islam and condemn Israel?
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Islam is a religion. Israel and the US are nations. Do you really not understand the difference?
 
ptif219 said:
So we are more civil than Islam? So then why do liberals support islam and condemn Israel?
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Where did you read this?

As a liberal, I tolerate Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. What I do not tolerate is the "my religion is better than yours" crap, which seems to be rampant nowadays. You wanna be a Muslim? Great! Or maybe Christianity is your thing? Fantastic! Stop twisting support for Islam equating to hatred of Christianity, and vice-versa.
 
Singularity said:
Where did you read this?

As a liberal, I tolerate Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. What I do not tolerate is the "my religion is better than yours" crap, which seems to be rampant nowadays. You wanna be a Muslim? Great! Or maybe Christianity is your thing? Fantastic! Stop twisting support for Islam equating to hatred of Christianity, and vice-versa.
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I would also add: "Not having an automatic hatred for Islam doesn't mean I hate Israel."
 
Deuce said:
I would also add: "Not having an automatic hatred for Islam doesn't mean I hate Israel."
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But then you would be eliminating a favorite yet inaccurate debate tactic of some people.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
But then you would be eliminating a favorite yet inaccurate debate tactic of some people.
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Don't worry, they'll still have "Take an absurd extrapolation of what you just posted as evidence of a view you don't actually hold."

CC, you're trying to CENSOR ALL CONSERVATIVES therefore YOU ARE STALIN. No, not sympathetic with his views, but literally you are the former Soviet dictator.

Proof of that? Well, you just said something that might be construed as sympathetic to what I imagine to be being the slightest bit liberal.
 
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Deuce said:
Don't worry, they'll still have "Take an absurd extrapolation of what you just posted as evidence of a view you don't actually hold."

CC, you're trying to CENSOR ALL CONSERVATIVES therefore YOU ARE STALIN. No, not sympathetic with his views, but literally you are the former Soviet dictator.
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I couldn't be Stalin. I don't have a mustache. :2razz:
 
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