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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Of the 17,304,091 California voters registered for the November 4, 2008 general election,

    * 44.4% were Democrats,
    * 31.3% were Republicans,
    * 4.4% were affiliated with other political parties, and
    * 19.9% were ("Decline to State") voters.[17]
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Islam is a religion. Israel and the US are nations. Do you really not understand the difference?
    there are not Islamic countries?

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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Where did you read this?

    As a liberal, I tolerate Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. What I do not tolerate is the "my religion is better than yours" crap, which seems to be rampant nowadays. You wanna be a Muslim? Great! Or maybe Christianity is your thing? Fantastic! Stop twisting support for Islam equating to hatred of Christianity, and vice-versa.
    So then liberals do not support Palestinians over Israel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pal View Post
    Exactly, you just said it yourself. It isn't a party issue. I'm not denying it at all, CA can be mostly Democratic, but still be against gay marriage because there are plenty of conservative Democrats.
    If its not a party issue you can't break it down by party now can you?

    Say it with me again. Gay marriage is not a party issue.

    Unless you can show us it was only those Democrats you have personally classified, please stop trying to pigeon hole the voters on this issue.
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    If its not a party issue you can't break it down by party now can you?
    Liberal is not a party, and not everyone in the Democratic party is a liberal.

    There are many Democrats who do not support gay marriage. In my opinion those people are not liberals.
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    I don't understand what you are accusing me of, as far as I can tell we are agreeing. I'm saying that gay marriage was revoked in California because people in both parties decided to revoke it. It's not a party issue, there are plenty of Democrats and Republicans who do not support gay marriage. If that's not what you're trying to say then please explain to me what you mean.

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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Why are people so arrogant they think they know more than people who actually LIVE in the state?

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    9th Circuit Court. Most liberal court in America
    And what exactly are you basing this on?

    and most overturned.
    And that has...what to do with this?

    Both chambers of the California legislature have been dominated by the Democratic Party since 1970 except from 1995 to 1996, when the Republican Party briefly held a majority in the lower chamber.
    Which DOESNT reflect how people vote. California has a system of initiatives and referendum that means we can over-ride our legislature and pass things ourselves if we want. I invite you to look at the history of these ballot initiatives and see the political bent they tend to take.

    There hasn't been a republican senator from California for almost 20 years. (1991)
    Our incumbents have been re-elected, so what?

    California majority by county in 2008

    Democrats 43%
    Republicans 15%

    http://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~statcu...ivelVoters.pdf

    Among all voters in California, 45% are registered as Democrats and 31% as Republicans. Voters who “decline to state” a party are the third-largest group overall, at 20%.

    State demographics pose potential problems for Republicans| PolitiCal | Los Angeles Times

    There goes your demographic BS claim.
    Why look, here it comes again!

    In the 2008 elections, 52% of the voters in California voted for Barack Obama while 45% voted for McCain with about 3% going to third party candidates.
    Office of the Clerk of the U.S. House of Representatives

    Furthermore, Proposition 8 drew a slim 52% for Yes and 47% for No.
    http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/sov/...v_complete.pdf

    These are two things that should have been LANDSLIDE issues in a supposedly liberal paradise like California.

    It doesn't matter what people register as, it's HOW they vote that reveals an area's true political leanings. Also, California allows the Democrat and Republican parties to decide if they want "Decline To State" voters (AKA "Non-Partisan") to be allowed to cross-over to one party or the other during primaries, however that will change in 2011. Polisci 101, kid.

    California is NOT as liberal as people like to think it is, we're divided fairly evenly.
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Both of you, demographics fail.

    SoCal tends to be somewhat more liberal but you have to remember that Orange County is an EXTREMELY conservative area and is the seat of some of the powerhouses of the Religious Right AND it gave us the American Independent Party. NorCal is generally more conservative with the exception being Sacramento.

    Other than LA and Sacramento (and some would argue, San Diego), California is actually pretty conservative. Our governors and elected officials are usually Republicans and we had a bitter slug-fest over gay marriage, something that people expected to pass here by a landslide.

    Our major population centers tend to be more liberal (as they do in every state in the country) and thus the more groundbreaking political work comes out of a more progressive mindset, but to say that California itself is liberal is horribly wrong.

    I've lived here my entire life, there are plenty of righties drifting around
    It's funny you leave out CC, why?

    Partisan? No could not be.
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So then liberals do not support Palestinians over Israel?
    You got a source for this generalization, or are you just venting some unfactual, anti-liberal sentiment?

    If the latter, then read and learn. I'm a liberal, and I think Israel is just swell. I think Palestine is swell, too. Rather than point fingers and kill each other, I think it would be just grand if they could live in peace. I imagine almost every liberal feels that way, and I hope conservatives do, too.

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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Why are people so arrogant they think they know more than people who actually LIVE in the state?


    And what exactly are you basing this on?


    And that has...what to do with this?

    Which DOESNT reflect how people vote. California has a system of initiatives and referendum that means we can over-ride our legislature and pass things ourselves if we want. I invite you to look at the history of these ballot initiatives and see the political bent they tend to take.

    Our incumbents have been re-elected, so what?


    Why look, here it comes again!

    In the 2008 elections, 52% of the voters in California voted for Barack Obama while 45% voted for McCain with about 3% going to third party candidates.
    Office of the Clerk of the U.S. House of Representatives

    Furthermore, Proposition 8 drew a slim 52% for Yes and 47% for No.
    http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/sov/...v_complete.pdf

    These are two things that should have been LANDSLIDE issues in a supposedly liberal paradise like California.

    It doesn't matter what people register as, it's HOW they vote that reveals an area's true political leanings. Also, California allows the Democrat and Republican parties to decide if they want "Decline To State" voters (AKA "Non-Partisan") to be allowed to cross-over to one party or the other during primaries, however that will change in 2011. Polisci 101, kid.

    California is NOT as liberal as people like to think it is, we're divided fairly evenly.
    You are a far left liberal. I think that is your problem. You probably think President Obama is a Center Right cantidate?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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