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Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

CA liberal? That is to funny considering Reagan was the Gov. there.

Ummm... winston. Reagan was governor about 40 years ago. And I would have to disagree with you. I'd say with pretty good assurity that CA is a liberal state, overall.
 
CA liberal? That is to funny considering Reagan was the Gov. there.

I lived there, it is in no way a conservative state. Has not been for a long time bud.

It's funny how often we use very outdated information. I mean I am guilty of it as well.

On another message board we were debating evolution. Somehow we were on the subject of DNA and the human genome. It was awhile ago but I remember saying human DNA is so complicated it has not even been mapped. Guy posted the link showing it was completed like two years earlier, lol. I felt stupid, but this is another good example.
 
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I spent some time in Iceland. I found it a beautifuly place but a pagan country, and it's people were very immoral. Somehow, this newest abomination doesn't surprise me. Since there is now an active volcano going on., I wouldn't be surprised if the whole island goes up in smoake, soon.

I, too, spent time in Iceland, and noticed the rampant paganism. Fortunately Zeus doesn't seem to have that much of a problem with gay marriage, which is a good thing, because that dude can hurl lightning bolts.
 
CA liberal? That is to funny considering Reagan was the Gov. there.

California isn't a liberal state?

So in your world Obama must be a republican. Whats that like?
 
I lived there, it is in no way a conservative state. Has not been for a long time bud.

California isn't a liberal state?

Both of you, demographics fail.

SoCal tends to be somewhat more liberal but you have to remember that Orange County is an EXTREMELY conservative area and is the seat of some of the powerhouses of the Religious Right AND it gave us the American Independent Party. NorCal is generally more conservative with the exception being Sacramento.

Other than LA and Sacramento (and some would argue, San Diego), California is actually pretty conservative. Our governors and elected officials are usually Republicans and we had a bitter slug-fest over gay marriage, something that people expected to pass here by a landslide.

Our major population centers tend to be more liberal (as they do in every state in the country) and thus the more groundbreaking political work comes out of a more progressive mindset, but to say that California itself is liberal is horribly wrong.

I've lived here my entire life, there are plenty of righties drifting around
 
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Both of you, demographics fail.

SoCal tends to be somewhat more liberal but you have to remember that Orange County is an EXTREMELY conservative area and is the seat of some of the powerhouses of the Religious Right AND it gave us the American Independent Party. NorCal is generally more conservative with the exception being Sacramento.

Other than LA and Sacramento, California is actually pretty conservative. Our governors and elected officials are usually Republicans and we had a bitter slug-fest over gay marriage, something that people expected to pass here by a landslide.

My God I can't believe you are trying to peddle this nonsense.

Here are the facts

9th Circuit Court. Most liberal court in America and most overturned.

Both chambers of the California legislature have been dominated by the Democratic Party since 1970 except from 1995 to 1996, when the Republican Party briefly held a majority in the lower chamber.

There hasn't been a republican senator from California for almost 20 years. (1991)

California majority by county in 2008

Democrats 43%
Republicans 15%

http://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~statcur/Workshop2/Assignments/DeconstructReconstruct/swivelVoters.pdf

Among all voters in California, 45% are registered as Democrats and 31% as Republicans. Voters who “decline to state” a party are the third-largest group overall, at 20%.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cal...-pose-potential-problems-for-republicans.html

There goes your demographic BS claim.




I've seen some epic fails dude but you take that cake with that one.
 
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California is moderately liberal at best. Yeah areas like LA, SanFran, and Sacramento are extremely liberal, and those are the ones we always hear about, but California is the most populated state in the country. There are millions of people in that state who don't live in those areas. They just don't get noticed as much. The exception being when they mobilized to revoke gay marriage in 2008. I wouldn't call that liberal at all.
 
California is moderately liberal at best. Yeah areas like LA, SanFran, and Sacramento are extremely liberal, and those are the ones we always hear about, but California is the most populated state in the country. There are millions of people in that state who don't live in those areas. They just don't get noticed as much. The exception being when they mobilized to revoke gay marriage in 2008. I wouldn't call that liberal at all.

LOL Please. I just gave you the numbers. How can you sit there any deny it?

Gay marriage is not a party issue. If it was it wouldn't be 0-31 by voters in this country.
 
LOL Please. I just gave you the numbers. How can you sit there any deny it?

Gay marriage is not a party issue. If it was it wouldn't be 0-31 by voters in this country.

Exactly, you just said it yourself. It isn't a party issue. I'm not denying it at all, CA can be mostly Democratic, but still be against gay marriage because there are plenty of conservative Democrats.
 
Where did you read this?

As a liberal, I tolerate Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. What I do not tolerate is the "my religion is better than yours" crap, which seems to be rampant nowadays. You wanna be a Muslim? Great! Or maybe Christianity is your thing? Fantastic! Stop twisting support for Islam equating to hatred of Christianity, and vice-versa.
So then liberals do not support Palestinians over Israel?
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Exactly, you just said it yourself. It isn't a party issue. I'm not denying it at all, CA can be mostly Democratic, but still be against gay marriage because there are plenty of conservative Democrats.

If its not a party issue you can't break it down by party now can you? :rofl

Say it with me again. Gay marriage is not a party issue.

Unless you can show us it was only those Democrats you have personally classified, please stop trying to pigeon hole the voters on this issue.
 
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If its not a party issue you can't break it down by party now can you?

Liberal is not a party, and not everyone in the Democratic party is a liberal.

There are many Democrats who do not support gay marriage. In my opinion those people are not liberals.
 
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I don't understand what you are accusing me of, as far as I can tell we are agreeing. I'm saying that gay marriage was revoked in California because people in both parties decided to revoke it. It's not a party issue, there are plenty of Democrats and Republicans who do not support gay marriage. If that's not what you're trying to say then please explain to me what you mean.
 
Why are people so arrogant they think they know more than people who actually LIVE in the state?

9th Circuit Court. Most liberal court in America
And what exactly are you basing this on?

and most overturned.
And that has...what to do with this?

Both chambers of the California legislature have been dominated by the Democratic Party since 1970 except from 1995 to 1996, when the Republican Party briefly held a majority in the lower chamber.
Which DOESNT reflect how people vote. California has a system of initiatives and referendum that means we can over-ride our legislature and pass things ourselves if we want. I invite you to look at the history of these ballot initiatives and see the political bent they tend to take.

There hasn't been a republican senator from California for almost 20 years. (1991)
Our incumbents have been re-elected, so what?

California majority by county in 2008

Democrats 43%
Republicans 15%

http://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~statcur/Workshop2/Assignments/DeconstructReconstruct/swivelVoters.pdf

Among all voters in California, 45% are registered as Democrats and 31% as Republicans. Voters who “decline to state” a party are the third-largest group overall, at 20%.

State demographics pose potential problems for Republicans| PolitiCal | Los Angeles Times

There goes your demographic BS claim.
Why look, here it comes again!

In the 2008 elections, 52% of the voters in California voted for Barack Obama while 45% voted for McCain with about 3% going to third party candidates.
Office of the Clerk of the U.S. House of Representatives

Furthermore, Proposition 8 drew a slim 52% for Yes and 47% for No.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/sov/2008_general/sov_complete.pdf

These are two things that should have been LANDSLIDE issues in a supposedly liberal paradise like California.

It doesn't matter what people register as, it's HOW they vote that reveals an area's true political leanings. Also, California allows the Democrat and Republican parties to decide if they want "Decline To State" voters (AKA "Non-Partisan") to be allowed to cross-over to one party or the other during primaries, however that will change in 2011. Polisci 101, kid.

California is NOT as liberal as people like to think it is, we're divided fairly evenly.
 
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Both of you, demographics fail.

SoCal tends to be somewhat more liberal but you have to remember that Orange County is an EXTREMELY conservative area and is the seat of some of the powerhouses of the Religious Right AND it gave us the American Independent Party. NorCal is generally more conservative with the exception being Sacramento.

Other than LA and Sacramento (and some would argue, San Diego), California is actually pretty conservative. Our governors and elected officials are usually Republicans and we had a bitter slug-fest over gay marriage, something that people expected to pass here by a landslide.

Our major population centers tend to be more liberal (as they do in every state in the country) and thus the more groundbreaking political work comes out of a more progressive mindset, but to say that California itself is liberal is horribly wrong.

I've lived here my entire life, there are plenty of righties drifting around

It's funny you leave out CC, why?

Partisan? No could not be. :roll:
 
So then liberals do not support Palestinians over Israel?
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You got a source for this generalization, or are you just venting some unfactual, anti-liberal sentiment?

If the latter, then read and learn. I'm a liberal, and I think Israel is just swell. I think Palestine is swell, too. Rather than point fingers and kill each other, I think it would be just grand if they could live in peace. I imagine almost every liberal feels that way, and I hope conservatives do, too.
 
Why are people so arrogant they think they know more than people who actually LIVE in the state?


And what exactly are you basing this on?


And that has...what to do with this?

Which DOESNT reflect how people vote. California has a system of initiatives and referendum that means we can over-ride our legislature and pass things ourselves if we want. I invite you to look at the history of these ballot initiatives and see the political bent they tend to take.

Our incumbents have been re-elected, so what?


Why look, here it comes again!

In the 2008 elections, 52% of the voters in California voted for Barack Obama while 45% voted for McCain with about 3% going to third party candidates.
Office of the Clerk of the U.S. House of Representatives

Furthermore, Proposition 8 drew a slim 52% for Yes and 47% for No.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/sov/2008_general/sov_complete.pdf

These are two things that should have been LANDSLIDE issues in a supposedly liberal paradise like California.

It doesn't matter what people register as, it's HOW they vote that reveals an area's true political leanings. Also, California allows the Democrat and Republican parties to decide if they want "Decline To State" voters (AKA "Non-Partisan") to be allowed to cross-over to one party or the other during primaries, however that will change in 2011. Polisci 101, kid.

California is NOT as liberal as people like to think it is, we're divided fairly evenly.

You are a far left liberal. I think that is your problem. You probably think President Obama is a Center Right cantidate?
 
So then liberals do not support Palestinians over Israel?
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You still don't seem to understand the difference between a religion and a nation. You can hate the actions of a group of people without hating the entire religion they belong to or the entire nation they live in. I'm starting to feel like a broken record, but you're just giving another example of conservative absolutism.
 
Iceland elects a lesbian and then BAM, their economy implodes. Coincidence? I think not. :lol:
:rofl I like that!!!

Also the bit about the pre-emptive volcano eruption.

I reckon the Almighty is punishing Louisiana, Texas and Alabama with the oil spill for their anti-GM stance. Makes sense.
 
The fact that the country has a state church isn't as important as the make up of that church and the devoutness of the citizens. From what sources I've seen, only 10% of the population attends church at least once per month. Now that may not necessarily reflect the devoutness, but it does give us a clue.

It's important when the religious philosophy of the church can be influenced by the government.
 
I, too, spent time in Iceland, and noticed the rampant paganism. Fortunately Zeus doesn't seem to have that much of a problem with gay marriage, which is a good thing, because that dude can hurl lightning bolts.

I think you were thinking of Woden/Odin, king of the Gods, or perhaps Thor, God of thunder. Not sure Zeus makes much of an impression, them Icelandics don't speak much Greek.
 
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