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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Seems like +80% of the population identifies as a member of the Church of Iceland, a Lutheran denomination. Historically, it seems as if the church went through a period of reformation and liberalism during the early 1900's. That may be reflective of the relatively low church attendance, currently. Interestingly enough, though, 51% of Icelanders self identify as religious. Lots of contradictions in the information that I am finding.
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The fact that the country has a state church isn't as important as the make up of that church and the devoutness of the citizens. From what sources I've seen, only 10% of the population attends church at least once per month. Now that may not necessarily reflect the devoutness, but it does give us a clue.
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Icelanders tend to have a very "at home" approach to religion; it belongs in church, at home, and in your heart but that's it. They dont really feel the need to project their religious beliefs into the public sphere the way Americans tend to.
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Iceland elects a lesbian and then BAM, their economy implodes. Coincidence? I think not.
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well lets see....

    Separation of church and state according to the Constitution and 13th Amendment says the government shall pass no law based on religius law. Nor shall they infringe on the practice thereof.

    Well it looks like it really has no bearing as no one is passing a law based on a religious law in the US.
    Restricting marriage because of an almost entirely religious based objection to it seems like the US is passing laws based on religion to me.
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Icelanders tend to have a very "at home" approach to religion; it belongs in church, at home, and in your heart but that's it. They dont really feel the need to project their religious beliefs into the public sphere the way Americans tend to.
    That's pretty much the way it is in most of Europe. One of the reasons why Spain also allowed gay marriage despite being a strongly Catholic country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Restricting marriage because of an almost entirely religious based objection to it seems like the US is passing laws based on religion to me.
    The way it seems and the reality are 2 different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The way it seems and the reality are 2 different things.

    Separation of church and state does not mean the wiping of religion from public life.
    True, but when you restrict government endorsed relationships because of religious objections, then you are allowing religion to be involved in something that it really shouldn't have a say in. Religion does not own civil marriage. If we allow people to use religion as a viable argument to restrictions on what types of relationships the government will endorse, then we go back to where, theoretically, will such restrictions end. I am certain that there are plenty of religions out there that would like there own restrictions placed on civil marriages. If those people have a majority to get such restrictions approved, then what keeps them from being right to do so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    True, but when you restrict government endorsed relationships because of religious objections, then you are allowing religion to be involved in something that it really shouldn't have a say in.
    No. You are allowing people to be free to think and vote etc in a free society.

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    Religion does not own civil marriage. If we allow people to use religion as a viable argument to restrictions on what types of relationships the government will endorse, then we go back to where, theoretically, will such restrictions end.
    They will end wherever the people want them to end. Unfortunately our government and laws have moved closer to a direct democracy rather than a representative republic in my opinion. This is the true root of the problem.

    If this were truly about religion, it would already be decided. It is not, it is about discrimination and those being discriminated against not willing to accept small victory's as attitudes change. Slow and steady will win the race, not rushing in and challenging peoples age old traditions. All this does is make people even more resistant.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I am certain that there are plenty of religions out there that would like there own restrictions placed on civil marriages. If those people have a majority to get such restrictions approved, then what keeps them from being right to do so?
    As I said this is not about religion.
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    Re: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. You are allowing people to be free to think and vote etc in a free society.



    They will end wherever the people want them to end. Unfortunately our government and laws have moved closer to a direct democracy rather than a representative republic in my opinion. This is the true root of the problem.

    If this were truly about religion, it would already be decided. It is not, it is about discrimination and those being discriminated against not willing to accept small victory's as attitudes change. Slow and steady will win the race, not rushing in and challenging peoples age old traditions. All this does is make people even more resistant.



    As I said this is not about religion.
    No, the SCOTUS has already ruled once before that caused a huge change in marriage laws, that were supported by the majority of people, because those laws were viewed as discriminatory. It is very likely that this will be dealt with the same way within the next 10 years, if not sooner.
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