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    Re: Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites

    The saudi's are using an enemy to attack an enemy. This is great news for these guys.

    I think an attack on Iran would be a fundamental mistake and its no surprise the Saudi's are egging it on. The West is using nothing but Irans erratic behaviour and secretive ways to convince themselves Iran has a nuclear bomb - and they probably do. But i want to see solid proof, solid intel, and pictures. Without it, attacking Iran remains out of the question. Anything else would be the Saddam regime all over again.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites

    I agree EW is not a fantastic cloaking device that would make such a mission a breeze, but the Syrian's have already proven incapable of detecting Israel aircraft using such techniques, as with the 2007 Israeli raid into Syria.
    1) Syria has upgraded its air defense systems since then. 2) Flying at cruising altitude is a completely different mission than flying a low level penetration strike.

    Not to say this would not be more involved, as it obviously would be, but it is doable against a very limited Syrian defense threat.
    Either the Israeli's fly at cruising altitude and they get spotted, or they fly a low level and don't have the range to make to Iran and back.

    They might get hit on the way back, but they might not. Syria would still have to scramble fighters from bases that are not really along the Northern route to intercept. Maybe they would maybe they wouldn't, if I was an Israeli policy maker seriously considering the airstrike option, it is a risk I would take.
    The F-15's can't fly faster than cruising speed the whole way, while the Syrians can fly as fast as they like, making interception a very likely situation.

    True, but with such a site even an airstrike would not be all that effective either.
    There are specialized air-carried munitions starting from ww2 to the present that are capable of destroying such hardened targets. They are extremely heavy though, making the range issue worse.

    1) An in flight refueling (IFR) probe could be incorporated into the F-15E to give the aircraft the capability to refuel from drogue configured tankers.
    2) Buddy Refueling between F-15Es that can be packaged in an external tank or CFT. This would be useful in an emergency situation when Strike Missions are in Egress from the target area.
    3) Larger External Tanks (Dropped Tanks). These tanks would have a fuel capacity of 800 gallons compared to the standard 610 gallons. The F-15E‘s mission radius would then be increased by about 10%.
    4) Additional Internal Fuel added to the outer wing of the F-15E. This would increase the mission radius by 2%
    5) Larger Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs). The F-15E could still carry the air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons and external pods as well as the fuel tanks. This would increase the mission radius by 5%.
    That simply isn't enough to make the distance. Its a 2000 mile round trip as the crow flies, and considerably more than that detouring through Syria.

    Any other route poses to large of a political risk in my opinion. I could be wrong on that, but that is what I think.
    I agree the political risk is large but its minimal to risk of failing in the mission or loosing half your air force in the process.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites

    By the way, I've just recalled that the plane that took down the arms-smuggling convoy in Sudan during the 2008-2009 Gaza War was actually Israel's best UAV, the Eitan. (An improved Heron UAV)

    Its range is 4603+ miles, according to Wikipedia.
    Meaning it could easily reach Iran.
    It might reach Iran even with a 5000 lb payload , but it wouldn't have a prayer of surviving. Its a giant slow sitting duck.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites

    If the news is accurate, this decision is not too surprising. Saudi Arabia is far more concerned with the threat that a nuclear-armed Iran poses to its interests, including its capability to dramatically tilt the Sunni-Shia relationship in favor of the Shia.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    If the news is accurate, this decision is not too surprising. Saudi Arabia is far more concerned with the threat that a nuclear-armed Iran poses to its interests, including its capability to dramatically tilt the Sunni-Shia relationship in favor of the Shia.
    It's not accurate.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites

    The nothern route is closed pretty much, Turkey as I understand things have moved some air defenses towards its south east boarder, so while Syria might not detect Israeli war planes Turkey certainly could, and while its planes are not up to the level of Israeli ones they are not that far behind, they do have some of the most up to date F 16 export models, and could scramble them to intercept returning Israeli planes or those loitering in Syrian or Iraqi space.

    Besides which most estimates I have seen state that Israel without the use of nukes will not have the air power to do what it wants, without getting hit back hard by Iran. Meaning without the US getting involved Israel will be hit back, and Iran's nuclear program (be it civilian or military) will not be set back for long.

    Overall Israel will not attack (assuming no use of nukes) without assurances the US will get involved as well.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The nothern route is closed pretty much, Turkey as I understand things have moved some air defenses towards its south east boarder, so while Syria might not detect Israeli war planes Turkey certainly could, and while its planes are not up to the level of Israeli ones they are not that far behind, they do have some of the most up to date F 16 export models, and could scramble them to intercept returning Israeli planes or those loitering in Syrian or Iraqi space.

    Besides which most estimates I have seen state that Israel without the use of nukes will not have the air power to do what it wants, without getting hit back hard by Iran. Meaning without the US getting involved Israel will be hit back, and Iran's nuclear program (be it civilian or military) will not be set back for long.

    Overall Israel will not attack (assuming no use of nukes) without assurances the US will get involved as well.
    The only scenario that I could see Turkey taking action is if Israel breached their airspace. They could go over Iraq however instead, and Turkey might be willing to more or less look the other way (and publicly claim they couldn't respond quickly enough or something like that) because Turkey is certainly no fan of an Iranian nuclear program.

    I am also of the mindset that Israel will not attack, but it is interesting to speculate how it would be done if that is the option that they pursue.

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    Now this is what I call bi-partisanship!

    "Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites"

    Saudi Arabia gives Israel clear skies to attack Iranian nuclear sites - Times Online

    It's about time someone does something more than try to kiss butt. (like obama, I might add) It's really something that we should have been doing but we have turned into whimps.

    If we are going to have a conflagration in the middle east, better now than after Iran aquires the power to inflict heavy damage.

    Now let the whining begin!
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    Re: Now this is what I call bi-partisanship!

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    Re: Now this is what I call bi-partisanship!

    Besides which most estimates I have seen state that Israel without the use of nukes will not have the air power to do what it wants, without getting hit back hard by Iran. Meaning without the US getting involved Israel will be hit back, and Iran's nuclear program (be it civilian or military) will not be set back for long.
    Iran is quite limited in their ability to retaliate. Other than using proxies, ballistic missiles are their sole means of attacking Israel. Given the inaccuracy of such missiles, limited stockpiles and Israeli anti-missiles damage would be very light.

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