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    Re: White House works to ease Iran proposal in Congress

    I don't think a "rally around the flag" moment constituents a real change however.
    What does this mean?

    I agree, my point is that there are those in the opposition party (for lack of a better term) that would probably see them as a way to eliminate the hardliners and change their overall policies to get them lifted.
    You can find people that believe anything. This doesn't mean anything.

    Perhaps this was a poor choice of words. What I meant was what you were advocating, which is the same as the President I suppose.
    I'm a communist. I don't advocate what the President advocates. I'm merely putting their actions into context and attempting to dispel the "Obama's a weakling" crap that conservatives are trying to spew.

    I don't doubt they have a lot of influence, I am just saying the way to change that is arguably not to look even more weak and cave in terms in sanctions.
    This has nothing to do with "looking weak". And besides, danarhea is absolutely correct; we all saw what happened the last time the US tried to "play a strong hand" in Iran.
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    Re: White House works to ease Iran proposal in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What does this mean?
    Iranian people will be outraged about the Israeli actions for awhile, but then it is back to the reality that their domestic situation is worsening, due largely to their current leadership.

    You can find people that believe anything. This doesn't mean anything.
    Then that point is up for debate I suppose.

    I'm a communist. I don't advocate what the President advocates. I'm merely putting their actions into context and attempting to dispel the "Obama's a weakling" crap that conservatives are trying to spew.
    Well, it does come across as weak. Why not just let it go, since most sanctions are nothing more than window dressing anyway.

    This has nothing to do with "looking weak". And besides, danarhea is absolutely correct; we all saw what happened the last time the US tried to "play a strong hand" in Iran.
    What happened? We got a friendly government for 25 years that helped serve as a buffer against communism and keep a relatively stable world oil market.

    Not to mention, backing off will just serve as another PR coup for the Iranian leadership to point to.
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    Re: White House works to ease Iran proposal in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy Fife View Post
    Obama is certainly concerned about foreign relations, but he does not realize that conveying weakness does not earn you any respect on the world stage.

    The carrot is offered as a means of promoting diplomacy, but the carrot is useless without the stick to serve as a severe consequence if nations are unwilling to cooperate.

    Can it be argued that the US is a bully? That the US has a cultural and economic empire? Yes, but since that perception is unlikely to change in the Europeans' minds, I say we embrace our role as world leaders.

    The US should worry about garnering the respect, rather than the friendship of foreign nations. If fear and envy factors into that respect, so be it.

    When we change this whole popularity contest outlook on foreign policy to one that zealously asserts American exceptionalism, we will gain respect and avoid false sentiments of "friendship" among nations.

    Iran needs to know that we're serious, and Obama needs to communicate that.
    Nice summary.

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    Re: White House works to ease Iran proposal in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's a good thing we didn't install the current government. The people are no more satisfied with this boss than the last boss. I guess this time, the Iranian government has the world press on their side.
    But the government they already had was democratically elected. Problem is, we did not like the new president of Iran nationalizing British Petroleum. 57 years later, though, I think I understand why they nationalized it. LOL.
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    Re: White House works to ease Iran proposal in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    But the government they already had was democratically elected. Problem is, we did not like the new president of Iran nationalizing British Petroleum. 57 years later, though, I think I understand why they nationalized it. LOL.
    During the Cold War, and in that political environment (which you must judge this decision based on), it was not a bad move to put the Shah into power.

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    Re: White House works to ease Iran proposal in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    During the Cold War, and in that political environment (which you must judge this decision based on), it was not a bad move to put the Shah into power.
    I strongly disagree. If we had not made that move, Iran would not have had their revolution against the Shah, and the mullahs would not control that country. THIS is the perfect example of what Ron Paul refers to as "blowback" in our foreign policy.
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    Re: White House works to ease Iran proposal in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I strongly disagree. If we had not made that move, Iran would not have had their revolution against the Shah, and the mullahs would not control that country. THIS is the perfect example of what Ron Paul refers to as "blowback" in our foreign policy.
    You cannot ignore the pressing needs of today by focusing on the unknown problems of tomorrow. It is just as easy to argue that if the USSR dominated Iranian politics it still would have created an Islamic revolution and resulted in roughly the same situation, just after 25 years of grief instead.

    Blowback or not, supporting the Shah, at the time, was a correct move.

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    Re: White House works to ease Iran proposal in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    You cannot ignore the pressing needs of today by focusing on the unknown problems of tomorrow. It is just as easy to argue that if the USSR dominated Iranian politics it still would have created an Islamic revolution and resulted in roughly the same situation, just after 25 years of grief instead.

    Blowback or not, supporting the Shah, at the time, was a correct move.
    It was the US peerception that supporting the Shah at that time was the correct thing to do!

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    Re: White House works to ease Iran proposal in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    It was the US peerception that supporting the Shah at that time was the correct thing to do!
    And it was the correct thing to do... at the time.

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    Re: White House works to ease Iran proposal in Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    And it was the correct thing to do... at the time.
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