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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    My notion isn't that rocks arent that big of a deal. It's that hand thrwon rocks aren't that big of a deal. Granted, one instance in that video showed that hand thrown rocks can be a major issue in certain circumstances (like when the velocity of a vehicle is incorporated into the impact force generated by said rock). Aside from that one example (which was't the case in this instance) the other things were minor.

    The agents got stitches from rocks is no worse than a lot of **** I've seen on construction sites. Far better than quite a few injuries of seen on construction sites, to be honest.

    Jobs that have risks will have injuries. They should be wearing wear hard hats or helmets. I'd have gotten fined a ****load by OSHA for having guys on a job without hardhats.
    Let me throw a rock at you and I'll see you in the obituaries.

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Let me throw a rock at you and I'll see you in the obituaries.
    Hyperbole much?

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    People who know that thrown rocks are extremely unlikely to kill someone in reality.
    Then let me throw a rock at your head and I'll see you in the obituaries.

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Then let me throw a rock at your head and I'll see you in the obituaries.
    Hyperbole much?

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Basically, it comes down to this: they are using every hyperbole in the book to try to justify a shooting that may or may not have been justified. I will still hold judgment against the agent in this particular instance until an investigation is reported. However, in general, if rocks are coming from behind a boundary, I think the smart and reasonable thing to do is to move away from the boundary out of rock throwing range but still within accurate firing range. Bullet trumps rock in terms of accurate range so I don't think it should be too hard.
    So your response to the use of deadly force is to retreat? Good to know, we should just tell bankrobbers to use large chunks of concrete instead of guns from now on.

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So your response to the use of deadly force is to retreat?
    That's not what I said at all. Try reading and responding to what was actually posted.

    Good to know, we should just tell bankrobbers to use large chunks of concrete instead of guns from now on.
    You go right ahead and do that and I will go right ahead and point and laugh at you. The two situations aren't even comparable.

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Hyperbole much?
    It's not hyperbole, in any state in the country if you throw a rock at somebody you will be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's not what I said at all. Try reading and responding to what was actually posted.
    That's exactly what you said. You suggested that the officer should have retreated after the rocks were thrown.

    You go right ahead and do that and I will go right ahead and point and laugh at you. The two situations aren't even comparable.
    Really how so?

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    That's exactly what you said. You suggested that the officer should have retreated after the rocks were thrown.
    Now go back and read what I actually said in its entirety. Try responding to that.

    Really how so?
    I don't know how much more simply to spell this out but I will try one more time: if rocks are coming from behind a boundary (like, now stay with me here...a border) the BP agent should move himself to a safe distance out of rock throwing range but within firing range in case the rock thrower crosses the border.

    If bank robbers are throwing stuff at police, the police are likely already in a pursuit situation and there really isn't a border. The issue here is what? OMG...it's the border!!??!! Who knew?

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    What is a Deadly Weapon?
    We typically think of deadly weapons as being something obvious like a gun or knife. However, everyday "innocent" objects or instruments will qualify when used in ways that are likely to result in severe harm to another.

    California’s Penal Code section 245(a)(1) defines "deadly weapon" as an object, instrument, or weapon that is capable of producing and likely to produce death or great bodily injury.5 Hands and feet are not considered "deadly weapons", as the definition is limited to objects that are not part of one’s body.6

    Let’s look at some situations where otherwise "innocent" objects will qualify as deadly weapons when used to intentionally harm another.


    Examples:

    Swinging a beer bottle at another


    Threatening to stab another in the neck with a sharp pencil


    Ramming your car into another person or another’s car (while the individual is inside)

    All of these items...the bottle, pencil, and vehicle...are perfectly innocent when used normally. However, "deadly weapon" is a catchall and can include anything (other than a body part) that has the ability to cause substantial harm to another if used in a threatening way. This means that


    a beer bottle,


    a pencil,


    a dog,


    a cigarette lighter,


    steel-toed boots,


    a car,


    a rock, or


    anything else (when used in a manner likely to harm another)

    qualifies as a "deadly weapon" pursuant to Penal Code 245 (a) (1) PC.
    Assault with a Deadly Weapon (ADW); California Penal Code 245(a)(1) pc

    Yeah, the California Penal Code is wrong. Rocks are NOT deadly weapons.
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