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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    If a federal law enforcement official points a gun at a someone in the process of breaking the law it is a police action. If a Mexican federal law enforcement official points a gun at a U.S. federal law enforcement official, assuming they are both performing their legal mandates, it is a provocation of war. The two subjects are entirely different any way you look at it.

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Frankly, mexico guards pointing guns at our border patrol is laughable. Mexico doesn't want to go to war with us but I would invite them to do so if they ever do develop a desire to die by the thousands.
    I find it humorous the people that mention sending troops into Mexico. Study your history... we sent troops into mexico several times in the 1910's, to chase down Zapata and Villa. We more or less got our asses kicked every time we tried to stop a Mexican guerilla force. While we could kick their asses in a conventional war, there is a good chance we'd end up in a THIRD counter-insurgency operation
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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Actually we can. We have more than sufficient force to do so, and the ongoing problems along our border provide more than adequate justification in my opinion.

    I'm willing to compromise though. A double fence with a 100 yard gap, the gap to be thickly sewn with anti-personnel landmines, would be adequate in my opinion. It would keep the Mexican smugglers and coyotes who are terrorizing and sometimes murdering our citizens along the border, on their side of it.
    Do you think illegal entry should be a capital offense?
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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Do you think illegal entry should be a capital offense?


    I'm okay with it.

    If you're squeamish, we could lower the charge so it would just blow off a leg, though.

    Heh.

    My point is that the whole border situation is totally out of ****ing control, and needs to be set right by such means as are necessary. If that includes kicking the living **** out of Mexico's army and Federales and taking over a buffer zone and killing a few thousand drug cartel assholes and coyotes.... well, let's go.
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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Do you think illegal entry should be a capital offense?
    No, but we should add a "Tresspass at your own risk" on the fences.... /sarcasm

    What we don't need is a DMZ.... What we do need is to secure our borders. A fence using metal bars is good enough to deter most. And install cameras that are automated and alert a key personnel when the motion sensors has been triggered. All are costly, but we should have done this a long time ago. Like all those social programs, it should be pumped more into defense and military. Why? Because it says so in the Constitution. "provide for the common defence" and "promote the general Welfare." Never did it say the government is supposed to "provide" the general welfare.

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Results of policies of benign neglect and appeasement by our own government...that said, border security has always been viewed as a LE function, thus the Posse Comitatus Act has prevented our use of military troops to secure it. However, it is my opinion that border security should only be a LE function at and around established entry points, and all closed areas of the border should fall within the realm of national security - thus allowing for military resources to secure them.

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Results of policies of benign neglect and appeasement by our own government...that said, border security has always been viewed as a LE function, thus the Posse Comitatus Act has prevented our use of military troops to secure it. However, it is my opinion that border security should only be a LE function at and around established entry points, and all closed areas of the border should fall within the realm of national security - thus allowing for military resources to secure them.

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    When the Mexican military points weapons at America LEOs it's time for that national guard to be patroling the border.

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The Mexicans were right to prevent armed foreigners, who had already shot and killed a Mexican national on Mexican soil, from crossing their border.

    They would have been right to shoot them if they had pressed the issue. In fact, since the US border patrol actually shot someone who was on the Mexican side of the border that was not armed with any type of legitimate weapon, they need to be prosecuted. That is an act of war.
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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Save the melodramatics for someone who gives a **** about that kind of emotive nonsense, Vic.

    The border guard shot a Mexican National on Mexican soil.
    Who initiated the use of deadly force.

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    Re: FBI: Mexican soldiers used rifles to chase off U.S. Border Patrol

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    When was it determined that the kid was a "wanted criminal"
    Before or after he was shot?

    Did the patrolmen identify him beforehand?
    Assault with a deadly weapon made him a criminal.

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