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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    That would be like saying:

    The government raised my taxes, so therefore I could no longer afford to pay my rent. Given this, I robbed a bank, but the government is liable for my bank robbery because they raised my taxes.
    I don't think it is like that at all.

    It may be like, the government made marijuana illegal which gave rise to organized crime to supply the demand and more people were killed. More people were killed because the government created a criminal environment by making marijuana illegal. True.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I don't think it is like that at all.

    It may be like, the government made marijuana illegal which gave rise to organized crime to supply the demand and more people were killed. More people were killed because the government created a criminal environment by making marijuana illegal. True.
    You cannot sue the government for upholding the law.

    If you mean liability in terms of dollars, the government will have none legally. If you mean something like popular opinion liability, that remains an open issue.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Let me try this one more time. I think that when someone can empathize with others, and put themselves in the shoes of another person and realize how a situation might make them feel, and act accordingly, that is a sign of wisdom. If you can only cling to misbegotten principles without any regard to the human toll, then it is foolishness or worse. If these same misbegotten principles end up becoming your own undoing because you can't give them up even when you actually are the victim of them, then that's just poetic justice I suppose.
    And let me try once more. This is not about empathy or about how people "feel," it's about facts.

    -You claimed that this spill caused more damage than BP could ever afford. You don't know what you're talking about.
    -You claimed that this would completely wipe out FL's tourism industry. You don't know what you're talking about.
    -You claimed that this would take decades to recover from. You don't know what you're talking about.
    -You claimed that I would act differently if this were in Long Island. You don't know what you're talking about.

    You've brought nothing of value to this thread and I'm done responding to your snide comments. If you want to respond to the actual points I've raised, feel free.
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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I have no problem with legitimate people who have been effected getting compsensated, however is illegitimate claims are being honored, then frankly, BP would be the victim in terms of those claims.
    Sure, but it's a question of degree. This is such a massive disaster caused by the negligence of BP, they shouldn't be cut any slack. I'm not saying illegitimate claims should be paid. I am saying that we should make it much harder for BP to avoid paying and easier for people injured to get what they are owed. We should err on the side of letting some illegitimate claims through rather than have any legitimate claim denied.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Sure, but it's a question of degree. This is such a massive disaster caused by the negligence of BP, they shouldn't be cut any slack. I'm not saying illegitimate claims should be paid. I am saying that we should make it much harder for BP to avoid paying and easier for people injured to get what they are owed. We should err on the side of letting some illegitimate claims through rather than have any legitimate claim denied.
    I believe that all parties are entitled to be treated fairly under the law. That would not involve "erring on the side of letting some illegitimate claims through." Just because you are upset at BP does not mean they suddenly have no legal rights.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    You cannot sue the government for upholding the law.

    If you mean liability in terms of dollars, the government will have none legally. If you mean something like popular opinion liability, that remains an open issue.
    The law sometimes has negative consequences. They should be legally liable for those consequences.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I believe that all parties are entitled to be treated fairly under the law. That would not involve "erring on the side of letting some illegitimate claims through." Just because you are upset at BP does not mean they suddenly have no legal rights.
    I agree with you and I would love to see the movie made out of it by a trail of the jury.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The law sometimes has negative consequences. They should be legally liable for those consequences.
    I mean, if you want to file suit on those grounds, don't let me stop you. I have a hard time imagining how you would go about forming your actual case though. I think there are just as many people who think it is a great thing that shallow water drilling in most of the country is banned etc.

    I don't see how your opinion on the issue would equate to a legal argument however.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    -You claimed that this spill caused more damage than BP could ever afford. You don't know what you're talking about.
    False, I do know what I'm talking about and I gave you the numbers. If you want to dispute them on the merits, that's fine, but you've made no effort to do so, and you don't know what you're talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    -You claimed that this would completely wipe out FL's tourism industry. You don't know what you're talking about.
    False, I gave a couple of worst case scenarios to give an illustration of the scope of the financial impact of the disaster. If you can't extrapolate the magnitude of the potential financial damage of this disaster from these numbers, it only goes to show you don't know what you're talking about.
    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    -You claimed that this would take decades to recover from. You don't know what you're talking about.
    The fact that the damage from this disaster will last decades is well known, but hey I wouldn't expect you to be aware of that since you have shown no evidence of knowing what you are talking about.

    Here are some links:
    BP Oil Spill: Decades of Damage - ABC News
    washingtonpost.com

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    -You claimed that I would act differently if this were in Long Island. You don't know what you're talking about.
    False. I did say that I thought you would react differently if you were located near the oil spill and could experience it first hand, but I never claimed to know this for a fact.

    At this point I haven't got anything else to say to you either. Nothing personal against you, but you're just all kinds of wrong about this issue. I can't say you haven't contributed anything useful to the thread, you've been good for some laughs God bless!

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    I mean, if you want to file suit on those grounds, don't let me stop you. I have a hard time imagining how you would go about forming your actual case though. I think there are just as many people who think it is a great thing that shallow water drilling in most of the country is banned etc. .
    They should be equally liable for holding that opinion.

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