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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Honestly, I have no idea. I hope not.
    Again, if that's the case, maybe you should avoid making conclusive statements.

    The damage caused by this spill is going to last decades, not just two years.
    What are you basing this on? There's absolutely no way to know this yet.

    Nation & World | Mexico's Ixtoc 1 oil spill a distant mirror to BP disaster | Seattle Times Newspaper

    The Ixtoc 1 oil spill in Mexico's shallow Campeche Sound three decades ago serves as a distant mirror to today's BP deep-water blowout, and marine scientists are still pondering what they learned from its aftereffects. In terms of blowouts, Ixtoc 1 was a monster — until the BP leak, the largest accidental spill in history. Some 3.3 million barrels of oil gushed over nearly 10 months, spreading an oil slick as far north as Texas, where gooey tar balls washed up on beaches. Surprisingly, Mexican scientists say Campeche Sound itself recovered rather quickly, and a sizable shrimp industry returned to normal within two years.

    Luis Soto, a deep-sea biologist, had earned his doctorate from the University of Miami a year before the June 3, 1979, blowout of Ixtoc 1 in 160 feet of water in the Campeche Sound, the shallow, oil-rich continental shelf off the Yucatán Peninsula. Soto and other Mexican marine scientists feared the worst when they examined sea life in the sound once oil workers finally capped the blowout in March 1980. "To be honest, because of our ignorance, we thought everything was going to die," Soto said.

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    As the studies extended into a second year, scientists noticed how fast the marine environment recovered, helped by naturally occurring microbes that feasted on the oil and degraded it. Perhaps due to those microbes, aquatic life along the shoreline in Texas had returned to normal within three years — even as tar balls and tar mats remained along the beaches, sometimes covered by sand, according to Wes Tunnell, a marine biologist at Harte Research Institute of Gulf of Mexico Studies at Texas A&M University in Corpus Christi. "We were really surprised," Lizarraga said. "After two years, the conditions were really almost normal."
    I suggest you wait until we have more information before you start making proclamations about what will and will not happen.

    I wouldn't be surprised if tourism is cut in half.
    I would be.

    And, again, we're not just talking about simply tourism, but unquantifiable numbers. How do you compensate a retirement community for people who choose to retire in California instead? How do you compensate the doctors who lose those patients? How do you compensate the restaurants and grocery stores and utilities companies? You're not really thinking big picture here.
    Lawyers deal with things like this all the time. I'm not sure why you think this is unheard of.

    Burdens of proof come into play in settlements as well. A company is not going to be as willing to settle when they don't think the other side has a case, nor will the settle for as high as figure as they would otherwise.
    Burdens of proof come into play when there's a possibility that the case will go before a jury.

    More fool you, then.
    You call me a hypocrite, I say that I think you're wrong, and that makes me a fool? Interesting.
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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    More important question, how does a restaurant quanitify the amount of business lost from something like this?
    More important question, or precisely the same question that I asked? My point is that you cannot quantify these things, at least not very easily.

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    This is just not true. Companies settle things all the time when they would win by going to court. Often going to court and getting aquitted is far more expensive than just settling. Companies will look at the business of it, and then make a decision.
    You're not wrong but that doesn't change the truth of what I said, that the burden of proof and the likelihood of success at trial is going to be a factor in whether or not companies decide to settle. Indeed, companies will look at the business of it, and the business of it entails that they screw over people with rightful claims as much as possible.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're not wrong but that doesn't change the truth of what I said, that the burden of proof and the likelihood of success at trial is going to be a factor in whether or not companies decide to settle. Indeed, companies will look at the business of it, and the business of it entails that they screw over people with rightful claims as much as possible.
    You do know that with all the rightful claims, there is going to be a metric ass ton of false claimants trying to cash in on this, since it is so widespread.

    There is a reason that they try to avoid these legal problems as much as possible.
    It invites the ambulance chasers and fraudsters.
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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    More important question, or precisely the same question that I asked? My point is that you cannot quantify these things, at least not very easily.
    Well the burden of proof is on the accuser here, so they better figure it out.

    You're not wrong but that doesn't change the truth of what I said, that the burden of proof and the likelihood of success at trial is going to be a factor in whether or not companies decide to settle. Indeed, companies will look at the business of it, and the business of it entails that they screw over people with rightful claims as much as possible.
    Maybe, maybe not. They will operate within the legal framework that we as a nation have established. If they are able to do what you describe, then the flaw is with the system, not with their actions.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You call me a hypocrite, I say that I think you're wrong, and that makes me a fool? Interesting.
    If you've misplaced your principles so badly that you won't even rethink them when the trouble is in your own back yard, that's what makes you a fool. But I'm sure you're wrong about this, and were you actually faced with this situation in your own state, you'd reconsider your blind toeing of the party line. That doesn't make you a hypocrite, just a reasonable human being. Or maybe you really would stick with your party even when they put the knife in your back. Foolish indeed.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Does our government have liability in this for forcing oil companies to drill in deep water, at more risk, than drilling in shallow waters?

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There is a reason that they try to avoid these legal problems as much as possible.
    It invites the ambulance chasers and fraudsters.
    I'm sure the residents of the Gulf Coast were doing their best to avoid being the victims of an oil spill. Damn their carelessness![/sarcasm]

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm sure the residents of the Gulf Coast were doing their best to avoid being the victims of an oil spill. Damn their carelessness![/sarcasm]
    That doesn't address how large problems like this invite scumbags who try to take advantage of anyone and everyone.
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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Does our government have liability in this for forcing oil companies to drill in deep water, at more risk, than drilling in shallow waters?
    No.

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    Re: BP eyes showdown with US govt on liability-BP source

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    No.

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    Why not?



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