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    Re: Omfg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post

    Except when it happened, Reuters cracked down instantly on the people responsible, fired them, and apologized. If you're trying to subtly influence public opinion via Photoshop, apologizing and publically firing the responsible parties is a pretty crappy way to do it.

    And again, what in the name of fresh of holy **** does Reuters stand to gain from doing this? Why do they care?
    Exactly. Compare that to Stephen Hayes who still has a job:

    Hayes is well known for his writings postulating an operational relationship between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and the al-Qaeda terrorist organization. (See Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations). He ended one of his articles by this sentence: "...there can no longer be any serious argument about whether Saddam Hussein's Iraq worked with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda to plot against Americans."[2]

    Hayes authored a book on this subject entitled: The Connection: How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein has Endangered America [ISBN 0-06-074673-4].

    A major source for the articles and book was a leaked memo from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to the U.S. Congress on 27 October 2003.[3]

    The DOD issued a statement about the Feith Memo on Nov 15, 2003, which included the following[4]

    News reports that the Defense Department recently confirmed new information with respect to contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq in a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee are inaccurate.
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    The items listed in the classified annex were either raw reports or products of the CIA, the National Security Agency or, in one case, the Defense Intelligence Agency. The provision of the classified annex to the Intelligence Committee was cleared by other agencies and done with the permission of the intelligence community. The selection of the documents was made by DoD to respond to the committee’s question. The classified annex was not an analysis of the substantive issue of the relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda, and it drew no conclusions.

    Stephen F. Hayes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Omfg!

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They donít necessarily have to gain anything, but it could merely be that they want to influence news, rather than objectively reporting it. This is nothing new in the media.
    Ok, Reuters is not a villain in a bad B movie. Behaving like a dick in the real world generally requires some motivation. So unless you can show me what Reuters has to gain by "influencing" the media in this way, your theory is suspect.

    Sure. If you want to cook, you carry a Henckels or Forschner, if you want to clean your fingernails or pick your teeth, you carry a Swiss Army Knife. If you want to skin out a dead animal, you carry a skinning knife or a filet knife. Combat knives donít have much for general use besides combat. Their shape and size make them impractical for much of anything else.
    Flatly un-true. I have used combat knives for a myriad of purposes. The last one I had was indispensable in the weld shop; the weight combined with the strength made it a wonderful tool.

    Thatís the point. They shouldnít care, but obviously someone there does care and wants to influence the news, rather than objectively reporting it. The cropping offers absolutely nothing in the way of emphasizing anything about the soldier.
    You cant even demonstrate it was deliberate nor can you provide any real reason for them to do it on purpose. You're so desperate to see a conspiracy that you're standing there pouting because we wont accept "Well, they did it 'cause they COULD!"
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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The IDF admits it tortures and has been caught on camera using human shields.

    No they've been caught on camera talking to someone and continuing a house to house weapons inspection with someone they captured in the house to house weapons search.

    As for the definite proof of Hamas ... where?
    A) They admit freely and proudly.

    B) Their human shields are seen in videos of women and children on top of Hamas headquarters. We have loads of video evidence of them stationing themselves in civilian sectors and firing rockets from civilian sectors.

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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Except NO ONE has been able to tell us what that "ideology" is or provide any reason for why Reuters would intentionally crop a photo to make a point.

    What? Are you kidding? The ideology is clear in that these individuals working for the news service are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. To that end, in the case that the service either had no checks to moderate these instances of biased reports, or that they willingly let them through only to feign no knowledge of the initial report later and make a show of letting the people involved go, while printing that in some small print, or buried story later is laughable that you are following that kind of line. My kids come up with better excuses.



    Prove it.

    What proof is there that a defender of this type of bias would accept? None I suspect.


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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sorry but that is the fantasy being promoted by US and Israeli news media and hardly what the rest of the world is saying. In fact the media in Europe is getting all sides of the story including the fact that the protesters were "armed". So having a picture of a man standing with a knife is hardly earth shattering considering the rest of the images and photos already released by the IDF. Like it or not, people have a right to defend themselves when being attacked by armed thugs in international waters.. it is not wise but they have that right.
    You mean weapons inspectors conducting a lawful weapons inspection on a ship which was owned and operated by the Jihadist orgaization the IHH, whose stated purpose was to break the blockade into territory controlled by a genocidal terrorist organization that intentionally murders women and children and straps bombs to kids? Those thugs. You know who else were thugs? All those damned allied Navies blockading Japan and Germany during WW2, those guys were real thugs, I mean they even sunk ships who would conduct such peaceful humanitarian missions attempting to break the blockade.

    Do you people even realize how ridiculous you sound?

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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What proof is there that a defender of this type of bias would accept? None I suspect.


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    Well, you do have a burden of proof. As I have state earlier, no one believed anything other than the soldier was injured by the people on the ship, so exactly how does this support Palestinans? No we all know stuuf. Show clear, objective, sound reasoning and support. That is your challenge.

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    Re: Omfg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Yet you STILL have to give us the "why." What on earth does Reuters have to gain by doing this intentionally?
    Umm...... Swaying public opinion... I thought you were capable of independent thought. Removing a pool of blood off of a railing but keeping the railing there does not accomplish the claims of "centering the victim as the focus of the photo" Why else can we only see the things edited out as politically damning to the "humanitarian" group. Why are all things removed either a positive for those against Israel, or negative editing for Israel, along with some crappy reporting of the facts?


    I can think of ten thousand different uses for a knife beyond putting the pointy end into someone else.
    Intentionally ignoring the key word won't get you anywhere in this debate. I stated "COMBAT" knife. This isn't a kitchen knife, its a ****ing combat knife. Two different things. You don't cut a steak with a combat knife, its impracticle.


    Except when it happened, Reuters cracked down instantly on the people responsible, fired them, and apologized. If you're trying to subtly influence public opinion via Photoshop, apologizing and publically firing the responsible parties is a pretty crappy way to do it.

    And again, what in the name of fresh of holy **** does Reuters stand to gain from doing this? Why do they care?
    Of course they cracked down, thats what any "legitimate" news source is expected to do. They don't want to be viewed as a biased news source, they want to be a biased news source without being believed to be one, so they can change someone's opinion. If people KNOW they are an outlet for the Palestinian struggle, then they aren't going to take Reuters seriously. If Reuters does its best to maintain an image of a "fair and balanced" news source while slipping in little tidbits of subtle falsification and one sided stories then they might change some folks opinions.

    Because they, like you, support these terrorist thugs over Israel.
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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What? Are you kidding? The ideology is clear in that these individuals working for the news service are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.
    What does Reuters gain by taking a side and can you prove this?

    What proof is there that a defender of this type of bias would accept? None I suspect.
    So you got nothing but paranoid ranting, gotcha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Umm...... Swaying public opinion... I thought you were capable of independent thought. Removing a pool of blood off of a railing but keeping the railing there does not accomplish the claims of "centering the victim as the focus of the photo" Why else can we only see the things edited out as politically damning to the "humanitarian" group. Why are all things removed either a positive for those against Israel, or negative editing for Israel, along with some crappy reporting of the facts?
    What does Reuters have to gain by influencing public opinion? Their business doesnt depend on public opinion; it depends on having a good record, which they have.

    Intentionally ignoring the key word won't get you anywhere in this debate. I stated "COMBAT" knife. This isn't a kitchen knife, its a ****ing combat knife. Two different things. You don't cut a steak with a combat knife, its impracticle.
    It is if you can get a steak knife, but if you happen to be somewhere that's just too darn far from your local Williams-Sonoma, a combat knife can be put to many different uses aside from stabbing people.

    Of course they cracked down, thats what any "legitimate" news source is expected to do. They don't want to be viewed as a biased news source, they want to be a biased news source without being believed to be one, so they can change someone's opinion. If people KNOW they are an outlet for the Palestinian struggle, then they aren't going to take Reuters seriously. If Reuters does its best to maintain an image of a "fair and balanced" news source while slipping in little tidbits of subtle falsification and one sided stories then they might change some folks opinions.
    Proof?
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    Re: Omfg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Exactly. Compare that to Stephen Hayes who still has a job:

    Hayes is well known for his writings postulating an operational relationship between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and the al-Qaeda terrorist organization. (See Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations). He ended one of his articles by this sentence: "...there can no longer be any serious argument about whether Saddam Hussein's Iraq worked with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda to plot against Americans."[2]

    Hayes authored a book on this subject entitled: The Connection: How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein has Endangered America [ISBN 0-06-074673-4].

    A major source for the articles and book was a leaked memo from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to the U.S. Congress on 27 October 2003.[3]

    The DOD issued a statement about the Feith Memo on Nov 15, 2003, which included the following[4]

    News reports that the Defense Department recently confirmed new information with respect to contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq in a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee are inaccurate.
    .
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    The items listed in the classified annex were either raw reports or products of the CIA, the National Security Agency or, in one case, the Defense Intelligence Agency. The provision of the classified annex to the Intelligence Committee was cleared by other agencies and done with the permission of the intelligence community. The selection of the documents was made by DoD to respond to the committee’s question. The classified annex was not an analysis of the substantive issue of the relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda, and it drew no conclusions.

    Stephen F. Hayes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Omfg!

    I don't see the problem with monitoring the video...oops wrong thread

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