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    Re: Omfg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I don't think one actually requires a "side" to conclude that Reuters engaged in journalistic dishonesty here and then vigorously denied a nefarious motive.

    Indeed, you don't have to be a surgeon to recognize a hack job.
    That's true on Reuters.
    I'm curious why the IHH website mentioned in post one put the original image up. The knife isn't held in an aggressive manner (i.e. holding it ready to stab) but seems held by the tip of the handle.

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    Re: Omfg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    That's true on Reuters.
    I'm curious why the IHH website mentioned in post one put the original image up. The knife isn't held in an aggressive manner (i.e. holding it ready to stab) but seems held by the tip of the handle.
    Looking at the prone and bloodied soldier, it seems to me the aggression had already occurred. Don't know if it occurred with that particular knife. On the face of it, this is additional visual evidence that the activists did indeed have weapons which directly contradicts their position of being unarmed.

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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    In all cases, I see specific people who tried to slip a fake photo in and were caught and fired by Reuters who 'fessed up immediately, apologized, and blacklisted the photographers and editors in question.

    I'm failing to see the fault of Reuters, somebody they employed screwed up and they rectified the problem and came clean.

    And nobody has yet answered me when I asked WHY Reuters would doctor the photo in the OP. What the motivation would be.

    It's not whether or not Reuters fired the people involved with the incidents questioned. It is the narrative they chose to follow. That never changed.

    Because they as an organization they follow an ideology rather than sticking to the facts, and presenting those facts without bias, they harmed their credibility.

    Anyone that is dismissing these instances with a casual 'well, they fired the people' and doesn't realize that from that point that they continued with the narrative that fostered the dishonest reporting in the first place is just excusing it in favor of bolstering their own argument.

    The motivation is easy, they are aligned with liberal thinking, and causes, and agree with them.


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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's not whether or not Reuters fired the people involved with the incidents questioned. It is the narrative they chose to follow. That never changed.

    Because they as an organization they follow an ideology rather than sticking to the facts, and presenting those facts without bias, they harmed their credibility.
    Except NO ONE has been able to tell us what that "ideology" is or provide any reason for why Reuters would intentionally crop a photo to make a point.

    The motivation is easy, they are aligned with liberal thinking, and causes, and agree with them.
    Prove it.
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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    A whole bunch of us got whooshed. That darn Boo set us all up.
    Well, at least you have been. Again, no one believed he fell down or that he wasn't attacked. Since no one believed that, and nothing has been produced to show anything reported that would suggest that (j, that's called the narrative), the entire whining thread is a waste of time.

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    Re: Omfg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I know which side I am on as well. I am on the United States' side.
    So am I. I take the side of all peaceable democratic nations. It's not a hard decision for me to make.

    Since it's so clear cut, perhaps we can have it all worked out before the half-hour episode is over.
    It is clear-cut. Israel is a peaceable liberal democracy and Hamas is a terrorist organization that seeks to exterminate the Jews. These are the facts, and the sooner we all accept them the sooner this mess in the Middle East will be resolved.

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    Re: Omfg!

    The arguments being brought forth by those defending Reuters are pathetic, simple-minded, and straw grasping.

    Get a grip.

    The point isn't to hide that the soldiers got a beat down from a mob of angry turks, the point is to hide the fact that these "humanitarian" scrubs were armed with Combat Knives. Why would a humanitarian need a Combat Knife?

    We aren't trying to convict individuals of anything here, so crying about "We can't see who actually stabbed him!" and all this other nonsense is a non issue.

    The fact that Reuters has a history of not only cropping/editing photos that had no clear purpose (except to change opinion) in the past, and also that both times it fell on the same side of the same struggle against the same group (Israel) is not a ****ing coincidence.

    Get a grip.
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    Re: Omfg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I don't think one actually requires a "side" to conclude that Reuters engaged in journalistic dishonesty here and then vigorously denied a nefarious motive.
    Indeed, you don't have to be a surgeon to recognize a hack job.
    No, it doesn't. But for me to reach that conclusion it require me to assume a great deal that is not in evidence. I haven't seen anything that contradicts the simpler explanation that the photo was centered on the victim and then cropped on all four sides. The victim is, imho, the most compelling element of the image.
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    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Omfg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The point isn't to hide that the soldiers got a beat down from a mob of angry turks, the point is to hide the fact that these "humanitarian" scrubs were armed with Combat Knives.
    Yet you STILL have to give us the "why." What on earth does Reuters have to gain by doing this intentionally?

    Why would a humanitarian need a Combat Knife?
    I can think of ten thousand different uses for a knife beyond putting the pointy end into someone else.

    The fact that Reuters has a history of not only cropping/editing photos that had no clear purpose (except to change opinion) in the past, and also that both times it fell on the same side of the same struggle against the same group (Israel) is not a ****ing coincidence.
    Except when it happened, Reuters cracked down instantly on the people responsible, fired them, and apologized. If you're trying to subtly influence public opinion via Photoshop, apologizing and publically firing the responsible parties is a pretty crappy way to do it.

    And again, what in the name of fresh of holy **** does Reuters stand to gain from doing this? Why do they care?
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    Re: Omfg!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Yet you STILL have to give us the "why." What on earth does Reuters have to gain by doing this intentionally?
    They don’t necessarily have to gain anything, but it could merely be that they want to influence news, rather than objectively reporting it. This is nothing new in the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I can think of ten thousand different uses for a knife beyond putting the pointy end into someone else.
    Sure. If you want to cook, you carry a Henckels or Forschner, if you want to clean your fingernails or pick your teeth, you carry a Swiss Army Knife. If you want to skin out a dead animal, you carry a skinning knife or a filet knife. Combat knives don’t have much for general use besides combat. Their shape and size make them impractical for much of anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    And again, what in the name of fresh of holy **** does Reuters stand to gain from doing this? Why do they care?
    That’s the point. They shouldn’t care, but obviously someone there does care and wants to influence the news, rather than objectively reporting it. The cropping offers absolutely nothing in the way of emphasizing anything about the soldier.
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