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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Second, I carry a knife everywhere I go. Shanking people is not first on my list of reasons to do so. Knives have PLENTY of utility uses outside of sticking them in people.
    Do you carry it unholstered wherever you go?
    Do you carry an unholstered combat knife wherever you go?
    Do you, my kind sir, carry an unholstered combat knife while standing next to an injured soldier, wherever you go?
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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    One reason could be because not all formats are proportionate.
    Those two side by side comparisons look like they have the same proportion and if one needed to be made smaller there are lots of programs out there that will reduce the dimensions. .
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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Not that anyone rational has taken these claims seriously before, but by cropping the pictures it is clear that Reuters was aiding the activists in their claims.
    I don't think it's clear that Reuters was siding with the activists whatsoever. What the activists claim and what Reuters claims are two different things. Reuters along with the AP posted the pictures of the confiscated weapons in their news sources, so I don't see how this one cropping amounts to a cover up. The lid was already blown on the possession of deadly weapons. There is no point in trying to hide it now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    But the news agency has cropped three pictures, I find it difficult to buy the whole "it was a mistake" argument.
    I never claimed it was a mistake. Nothing news agencies do is a mistake. My point is that editorial decisions can have many different reasons. When it comes to Israel and Palestine, people can't think straight and they will assume the worst of anyone who is against them, or anyone who could be construed as being against them. I think the photo crop falls into the latter category. If Reuters really wanted to paint an anti-Israeli story, there are a lot more effective ways to go about it.

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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    For the arguments that Reuters should have caught it,

    PhotoshopDisasters

    Multi-billion dollar companies screw up photo editing software, Reuters is not immune from mistakes
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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Proof?

    First, why would Reuters do that?

    Second, I carry a knife everywhere I go. Shanking people is not first on my list of reasons to do so. Knives have PLENTY of utility uses outside of sticking them in people.
    Here you go.

    Reuters admits altering Beirut photo

    Reuters withdraws photograph of Beirut after Air Force attack after US blogs, photographers point out 'blatant evidence of manipulation.' Reuters' head of PR says in response, 'Reuters has suspended photographer until investigations are completed into changes made to photograph.' Photographer who sent altered image is same Reuters photographer behind many of images from Qana, which have also been subject of suspicions for being staged.
    Reuters admits altering Beirut photo - Israel News, Ynetnews

    Reuters fired a top photo editor for the Middle East during an internal investigation of two doctored photos from the Israel-Lebanon war that were published last summer.

    The editor was the second casualty of the photo manipulation controversy surrounding Reuters freelancer Adnan Hajj. Two of Hajj's photographs showed obvious signs of digital alterations. Facing a storm of criticism last August, Reuters terminated its relationship with Hajj and pulled more than 900 of his photos from its archive. A Reuters spokesperson said Thursday that the company would not release the name of the editor who was dismissed.
    Reuters Investigation Leads To Dismissal Of Editor | Middle East > Israel from AllBusiness.com

    Here is a number of others from the war that were doctored by the same photographer for Reuters.

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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    just a question....Wasn't Reuters also involved in pro Hezbollah propaganda during its last clash with the IDF?


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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    just a question....Wasn't Reuters also involved in pro Hezbollah propaganda during its last clash with the IDF?


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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Read the post above yours.

    heh, heh....Just saw it....I am blushing......


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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    To understand the significance of the cropped picture, you first have to understand the situation at hand.

    Isreal has reportedly been claiming for quite some time that Palestinians have been smuggling weapons and other materials used for terrorist activities into Gaza onboard various ships under the banner of peace. In an effort to halt the shipment of questionable goods, Isreal insisted that all suspect ship must enter specific ports they've designated as safe port to be properly inspected. If no illegal goods were onboard, the ship would be allowed to carry on. If illegal or questionable goods were found onboard, they would be confiscated. Seems reasonable.

    Some ships refused Isreal's request. As a result, Isreal formed the blockade.

    As to the photo, according to reports Isreali Commandos stormed the ship, the Mavi Marmara, because it was suspected of carrying illegal goods. The commandos prepelled down onto the ship via helicopter and opened fire on those they suspected of being part of the PLO or working with them. Only the raid went bad and a few commandos were shot or seriously injured (in the case of the photo, stabbed). Now, to put things in perspective, there are two issues in questions:

    1) Did the Isreali commandos board the Mavi Marmara in international waters or while it was in Isreali waters?

    2) Were the Turkish men onboard the Mavi Marmara unarmed peacekeepers or were they armed and working with the Palestinian resistance?

    Reports were that the Turkish men onboard the Mavi Marmara were unarmed peacekeepers. If so, it would look extremely bad for Reuters to publish pictures of a civilian assumed to be of Turkish decent welding a (bloody) knife while standing over an bloodied Isreali commando. The obvious question with the cropped photo is:

    If the men onboard the ship were peacekeepers, how did the commando sustain his injuries?

    Similarly, the question concerning the real photo should be:

    If the peacekeepers were unarmed, why was atleast one of them holding a knife over an Isreali commando who clearly had been cut or stabbed in the photo?

    If the Mavi Marmara was, in fact, transporting legal goods, why then didn't those onboard merely stand down and allow the commandos to inspect the ship?

    Clearly, something was wrong with more than just the picture. For the question I have concerning Reuter's role in their jounalism is why crop the photo? Who were you trying to protect? The Turks? Why? It was clear even from the cropped photo that an Isreali commando was injured. What possible rationale would Reuters have for concealing the blood stains on the handrail/staircase or the knife in the civilian's hand? Everything about this image and this incident is wrong except Isreal's right to board suspect vessels entering its waters, if the Mavi Marmara did in fact do so.

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    Re: Reuters Admits Cropping Photos of Ship Clash, Denies Political Motive

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    To understand the significance of the cropped picture, you first have to understand the situation at hand.

    Isreal has reportedly been claiming for quite some time that Palestinians have been smuggling weapons and other materials used for terrorist activities into Gaza onboard various ships under the banner of peace. In an effort to halt the shipment of questionable goods, Isreal insisted that all suspect ship must enter specific ports they've designated as safe port to be properly inspected. If no illegal goods were onboard, the ship would be allowed to carry on. If illegal or questionable goods were found onboard, they would be confiscated. Seems reasonable.

    Some ships refused Isreal's request. As a result, Isreal formed the blockade.

    As to the photo, according to reports Isreali Commandos stormed the ship, the Mavi Marmara, because it was suspected of carrying illegal goods. The commandos prepelled down onto the ship via helicopter and opened fire on those they suspected of being part of the PLO or working with them. Only the raid went bad and a few commandos were shot or seriously injured (in the case of the photo, stabbed). Now, to put things in perspective, there are two issues in questions:

    1) Did the Isreali commandos board the Mavi Marmara in international waters or while it was in Isreali waters?

    2) Were the Turkish men onboard the Mavi Marmara unarmed peacekeepers or were they armed and working with the Palestinian resistance?

    Reports were that the Turkish men onboard the Mavi Marmara were unarmed peacekeepers. If so, it would look extremely bad for Reuters to publish pictures of a civilian assumed to be of Turkish decent welding a (bloody) knife while standing over an bloodied Isreali commando. The obvious question with the cropped photo is:

    If the men onboard the ship were peacekeepers, how did the commando sustain his injuries?

    Similarly, the question concerning the real photo should be:

    If the peacekeepers were unarmed, why was atleast one of them holding a knife over an Isreali commando who clearly had been cut or stabbed in the photo?

    If the Mavi Marmara was, in fact, transporting legal goods, why then didn't those onboard merely stand down and allow the commandos to inspect the ship?

    Clearly, something was wrong with more than just the picture. For the question I have concerning Reuter's role in their jounalism is why crop the photo? Who were you trying to protect? The Turks? Why? It was clear even from the cropped photo that an Isreali commando was injured. What possible rationale would Reuters have for concealing the blood stains on the handrail/staircase or the knife in the civilian's hand? Everything about this image and this incident is wrong except Isreal's right to board suspect vessels entering its waters, if the Mavi Marmara did in fact do so.
    I don't think a living person could ever get more facts wrong in one single comment.
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