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Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

yes quite possibly, but you would think he/she could lead us to more concrete numbers.

At this stage, statewide numbers are probably hard to get. The article mentions a lack of hard numbers.
 
At this stage, statewide numbers are probably hard to get. The article mentions a lack of hard numbers.



So we should conclude then by the articles admission, this is fairly baseless speculation and sensationalism....
 
So we should conclude then by the articles admission, this is fairly baseless speculation and sensationalism....

Quite possibly. I didn't post it though, so it's not my fault.
 
So we should conclude then by the articles admission, this is fairly baseless speculation and sensationalism....

The whole lot of it, yes. You know in one school district, hispanics have increased withdraw from school by an order of magnitude. But there are no aggregated numbers for the State. Nor is there any information on whether or not those whom have fled are illegal. So there's no way of saying for sure if the law had affect or not. It's just that some seemed rather jubilant over the notion of hispanics leaving Arizona in droves.
 
yes quite possibly, but you would think he/she could lead us to more concrete numbers.

I don't think those numbers will be fully known for a while.

What I'm interested in seeing is if this ends up benefiting Arizona economically or damaging them economically.

Legal businesses will surely suffer from fewer patrons, and if legal Hispanic residents are leaving in large numbers as well, I anticipate that the effect wil be greatly magnified.

I'd laugh my ass off if this ends up doing major harm to Arizona's economy.
 
The desired effect is to chase away hispanics? :confused:

I thought it was about illegal immigrants. According to the story, the exodus is not limited to illegals.

Seeing how proillegals like to use the racist tactic of lumping illegals in with legal immigrants they probably did the same thing with by lumping all illegals with all Hispanics. Or they could be talking about illegals and those who harbor and aid illegals.
 
Seeing how proillegals like to use the racist tactic of lumping illegals in with legal immigrants they probably did the same thing with by lumping all illegals with all Hispanics. Or they could be talking about illegals and those who harbor and aid illegals.

How is lumping illegal immigrants with legal immigrants racist? :confused:
 
If the law is not discriminatory at all, yet there is this mass exodus; it is the fault of those who passed the laws and who supported the laws for not explaining the dynamics of the law.

Or... it is the fault of those that have lied about and mischaracterized the law, many times without bothering to read it. Obama, Holder, and Neapolitano come to mind.
 
How is lumping illegal immigrants with legal immigrants racist? :confused:

Isn't considered racist to lump all groups of people into a stereotype like for example all immigrants are illegals or all illegals are immigrants? I would think anyone why came here legally would be highly offended being lumped together with criminals. What if we lumped all Europeans with Eurotrash and simply just called them Eurotrash?
 
So you don't care how many innocents get caught up so long as you can get after your percieved threat. And you're willing to use any and all government force necessary to accomplish the job; against the innocent and guilty a like. Nice, real nice. Fascism, just so you're aware, never ends any place good. Sure right now you're going after the hispanics, but you've no guarantee it will stop with that group.

Hyperbole much?

If you are of Hispanic decent, but here legally/citizen and you "flee" Arizona... you're an idiot that fell for the fear spin in the Media.

As long as they head WEST to Cali, and not East to Texas, I say good for Arizona. Less illegals, and a reduction in stupid residents. It's win/win!
 
Hyperbole much?

If you are of Hispanic decent, but here legally/citizen and you "flee" Arizona... you're an idiot that fell for the fear spin in the Media.

As long as they head WEST to Cali, and not East to Texas, I say good for Arizona. Less illegals, and a reduction in stupid residents. It's win/win!

There is some reason for concern. Source: Arizona’s ‘Papers Please’ Law | FactCheck.org

* The amended law allows police to consider "race, color or national origin" when deciding whether to ask somebody for proof of citizenship, but only to the extent already deemed constitutional by the courts.

* It remains to be seen how police will interpret the law’s anti-profiling language in practice. State officials tell us they have yet to work out what factors police should be trained to use to establish "reasonable suspicion" of illegal status.

* Federal officials are open to criticisms similar to some of those being made about Arizona’s law. A federal manual for training state and local officials says they may consider whether a person has a "thick foreign accent" or looks "out of place" when deciding whether to ask them about their immigration status.

So what we have is profiling allowed to an extent, as allowed under federal law but mostly unenforced at the current time. How police will be trained on the subject has not yet been worked out.
 
Hyperbole much?

No, maybe you should go look up what that word means before you try to run your mouth about it again. Kinda makes your last statement in that post of yours a bit ironic. But regardless, the response was to a post in which the sentiment was expressed that he didn't care who fled or got caught up so long as illegals were involved. Read much?
 
Isn't considered racist to lump all groups of people into a stereotype like for example all immigrants are illegals or all illegals are immigrants?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

All illegals are immigrants. If they weren't immigrants, they couldn't possibly be illegal.

Legal and illegal are just terms describing the two possible types of immigrants that can exist.

Legal and illegal are merely subcategories.

Kind of like how "Ford and "Chevy" would be subcategories of automobiles.

All fords are automobiles, and all chevys are automobiles, but not all automobiles are fords, nor are they all chevys.
 
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That makes no sense whatsoever.

All illegals are immigrants. If they weren't immigrants, they couldn't possibly be illegal.

Legal and illegal are just terms describing the two possible types of immigrants that can exist.

Legal and illegal are merely subcategories.

Kind of like how "Ford and "Chevy" would be subcategories of automobiles.

All fords are automobiles, and all chevys are automobiles, but not all automobiles are fords, nor are they all chevys.

If I lump Ford and Chevy together am I autoist?
 
If I lump Ford and Chevy together am I autoist?

Depends on whether the lumping together makes perfect sense. Such as lumping them together as Automoboiles, or even more specifically, American automobiles. Then you wouldn't be.

But if you lumped them all together as stinky monkey vaginas, then you'd be an autoist.
 
That makes no sense whatsoever.

All illegals are immigrants. If they weren't immigrants, they couldn't possibly be illegal.

Legal and illegal are just terms describing the two possible types of immigrants that can exist.

Legal and illegal are merely subcategories.

Kind of like how "Ford and "Chevy" would be subcategories of automobiles.

All fords are automobiles, and all chevys are automobiles, but not all automobiles are fords, nor are they all chevys.


They do not use the term "immigrant like someone would use term automobile to describe a ford and a chevy.Other than pro-illegals the only other people who try to lump illegals with immigrants are racist who do not want anyone coming here. The only reason pro-illegals do it is so they can say hey "your against immigration" or "you hate immigrants" or" you do not want immigrants" or that law is "anti-immigration" to leave or the ever popular line we are a nation of immigrants. They purposely lump illegals with legal immigrants in order to try to make it seem as though it is about only legal immigrants. I am pretty sure Europeans would feel highly offended if we just lumped regular Europeans in with Eurotrash and simply called them all Eurotrash but yet it seems perfectly acceptable with pro-illegals to do that to legal immigrants by lumping them together with illegals.
 
They do not use the term "immigrant like someone would use term automobile to describe a ford and a chevy.Other than pro-illegals the only other people who try to lump illegals with immigrants are racist who do not want anyone coming here. The only reason pro-illegals do it is so they can say hey "your against immigration" or "you hate immigrants" or" you do not want immigrants" or that law is "anti-immigration" to leave or the ever popular line we are a nation of immigrants. They purposely lump illegals with legal immigrants in order to try to make it seem as though it is about only legal immigrants. I am pretty sure Europeans would feel highly offended if we just lumped regular Europeans in with Eurotrash and simply called them all Eurotrash but yet it seems perfectly acceptable with pro-illegals to do that to legal immigrants by lumping them together with illegals.

Or it could be, in relations to this article, Hispanics in general, both those here legally, illegally, and those born here, are worried about the impact of the law. If lumping Hispanics together in that case makes me racist in some people's eyes, so be it.
 
Or it could be, in relations to this article, Hispanics in general, both those here legally, illegally, and those born here, are worried about the impact of the law. If lumping Hispanics together in that case makes me racist in some people's eyes, so be it.

I do not know what exactly the article meant by Hispanics.Seeing how pro-illegals like to lump illegals and legal immigrants together as though they are one and the same one has to wonder if the author of the article did the same thing by lumping all illegals with hispranics. It is possible that they are talking about a mixture of illegals who are Hispanic who are here legally as well as those who harbor and aid illegals fleeing the state.
 
I do not know what exactly the article meant by Hispanics.Seeing how pro-illegals like to lump illegals and legal immigrants together as though they are one and the same one has to wonder if the author of the article did the same thing by lumping all illegals with hispranics. It is possible that they are talking about a mixture of illegals who are Hispanic who are here legally as well as those who harbor and aid illegals fleeing the state.

Did you read the article? It specifically did mention that both legal, and illegal Hispanics where leaving.
 
They do not use the term "immigrant like someone would use term automobile to describe a ford and a chevy.Other than pro-illegals the only other people who try to lump illegals with immigrants are racist who do not want anyone coming here. The only reason pro-illegals do it is so they can say hey "your against immigration" or "you hate immigrants" or" you do not want immigrants" or that law is "anti-immigration" to leave or the ever popular line we are a nation of immigrants. They purposely lump illegals with legal immigrants in order to try to make it seem as though it is about only legal immigrants. I am pretty sure Europeans would feel highly offended if we just lumped regular Europeans in with Eurotrash and simply called them all Eurotrash but yet it seems perfectly acceptable with pro-illegals to do that to legal immigrants by lumping them together with illegals.

This statement can only come from someone who is either unaware of what the word immigrant means, or wants to redefine the term to exclude illegal immigrants.
 
There is some reason for concern. Source: Arizona’s ‘Papers Please’ Law | FactCheck.org



So what we have is profiling allowed to an extent, as allowed under federal law but mostly unenforced at the current time. How police will be trained on the subject has not yet been worked out.

factcheck.org, of anninburg fame? Same group Obama worked for? Yeah, don't trust them.
 
No, maybe you should go look up what that word means before you try to run your mouth about it again. Kinda makes your last statement in that post of yours a bit ironic. But regardless, the response was to a post in which the sentiment was expressed that he didn't care who fled or got caught up so long as illegals were involved. Read much?

No, your STATEMENT was
So you don't care how many innocents get caught up
. The discussion is people fleeing Arizona, you assume that innocent people are "getting caught up".

As if they had no choice, that this was forced on them. It's not, they CHOOSE to run in fear of something they have nothing to fear.
 
And the quote is factually wrong where?

It's factcheck, they have a bias to siding with Obama. He worked for and helped the Annennburg Foundation, he is against the law, so they are. Remember your argument about the IDF Tape? Yeah, your logic, is being applied here. Factcheck.org is the IDF, their article is the tape. And I'm you, doubting the veracity and integrity.

/win
 
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