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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Discriminatory practices are in the data. It's not white folk running, even though they can be illegal immigrants as well. And the jubilation expressed by some isn't that some illegals were caught, but rather that the hispanics were leaving AZ.
    No, the jubilation was that the illegal immigrants were leaving AZ.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    No, the jubilation was that the illegal immigrants were leaving AZ.
    In fact not. The statement was that the wholesale running out of town of the hispanic people was a good effect; even if not all of them were illegals.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    What do you think would happen if this law was passed on a federal level?
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is some reason for concern. Source: Arizona’s ‘Papers Please’ Law | FactCheck.org



    So what we have is profiling allowed to an extent, as allowed under federal law but mostly unenforced at the current time. How police will be trained on the subject has not yet been worked out.
    Your source automatically discredits itself by making a claim "contrary to defenders of the law" and then makes statements not taken from the law.
    Can you show me in the law where it states police can take a look at "race, color, or national origin" like your source claims?

    If you can show it to me, it would be a first in all these AZ immigrantion threads ive been in.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In fact not. The statement was that the wholesale running out of town of the hispanic people was a good effect; even if not all of them were illegals.
    Really, show me where conservatives are celebrating running Hispanic people regardless of legality out of town.

    And there is nothing to suggest that anyone who left was not illegal. That's a narrative that the news article was disgracefully and dishonestly trying to put forward. We wouldn't even be talking about it if they hadn't made the unsupported claim.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    What do you think would happen if this law was passed on a federal level?
    It already is.

    Just there are so few federal agents to do this work, and those who decide to come here illegally know it.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If I lump Ford and Chevy together am I autoist?
    Sort of.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Really, show me where conservatives are celebrating running Hispanic people regardless of legality out of town.

    And there is nothing to suggest that anyone who left was not illegal. That's a narrative that the news article was disgracefully and dishonestly trying to put forward. We wouldn't even be talking about it if they hadn't made the unsupported claim.
    In fact there was already. The legal immigrants who might be leaving were trivialized in order to exalt the fact that illegals may be leaving. And there is nothing to suggest that everyone who left was illegal. That's an assumption which disgraceful and dishonest in trying to but forward. The fact is that those who support police action against the individual have to prove their case. You need to show that you've predominately affected illegals without having or minimally affecting the legal sector. In the end, there is not enough hard fact presented in the article to go one way or the other. The best assumption is that there is a mix though we cannot speak to the actual statistical breakdown.

    In the end, this is a law which makes it hostile towards certain sects of society in such a way as it would cause them to flee. We don't know how many were legal and how many were illegal; but you can't dismiss the impact you may have on legal citizens due to the effect you could have on illegals.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know you do. You seem to favor draconian, large, and intrusive government while taking no personal responsibility for any of your actions.
    No, he favors enforcement of immigration laws. There's no logical way to extrapolate what you said from that.

    In sort...a neo-con.
    You obviously have no idea what a neo-con is. I suggest you ask Fiddytree for a definition, or at very least consult Google or Wikipedia.

    Man, I remember when conservatives stood for small, responsible government and people owning up to their actions and the consequences there of. Ahhh the good ol' days.
    How is being anti-illegal immigration being against owning upt to your actions? Where do you even get that idea?

    Anyways, conservatives have always been for a tough-on-crime position. This is no different. Nothing that wasn't already illegal is being made illegal... enforcement is just being made tougher.

    The people you are describing are classlical liberals/libertarians, who sometimes identify as "conservative" and who conservatives will often agree with on many issues.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    No, he favors enforcement of immigration laws. There's no logical way to extrapolate what you said from that.



    You obviously have no idea what a neo-con is. I suggest you ask Fiddytree for a definition, or at very least consult Google or Wikipedia.



    How is being anti-illegal immigration being against owning upt to your actions? Where do you even get that idea?

    Anyways, conservatives have always been for a tough-on-crime position. This is no different. Nothing that wasn't already illegal is being made illegal... enforcement is just being made tougher.

    The people you are describing are classlical liberals/libertarians, who sometimes identify as "conservative" and who conservatives will often agree with on many issues.
    While liberals may endorse the use of large, draconian measures depending on topic; libertarians do not. So fail right there. As for the personal responsibility thing, that has been answered several times in detail; you can address those posts.
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