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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If you actually think a landscape company with a couple illegal aliens cutting grass is "promoting" illegal immigration, then I can't help you. You are so far into left field that I have no interest in further discussions on the subject with you.

    How about "encouraging Illegal Immigration"? I’d like to see every State pass draconian laws about businesses hiring Illegal Aliens….. Laws tough enough to put a business out of business if they knowingly do hire just 1.

    There is no such thing as a “job Americans won’t do” There are jobs employers are getting away with offering substandard wages because of our Illegal Alien problem.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It doesn't relate to Arizona's law. Where'd you get the silly idea that what I was doing was making a comparison of the laws?
    I don't know..... maybe because we are discussing Arizona's law and the people that are leaveing, and you compared Dav's family to the topic? Could be wrong.

    Wait. Your family came here from Cuba, right?

    Think about how your comments relate to their deeply personal decision to GTFO of Cuba. If not their own decision, then think of millions of other Cubans who made the deeply personal decision to leave their homeland for political and ideological reasons after Castro took power.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You could stop buying from those companies. You can put pressure on the politicians. You can vote for people more willing to crack down. We're not yet completely out of the loop; we still have some influence on the system. Both politically and economically. You don't need to wait for the government to do something.
    The problem is all the politicians who claim they will crack down. But once they get into Washington, they do nothing.

    Its all about getting elected.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I don't know..... maybe because we are discussing Arizona's law and the people that are leaveing, and you compared Dav's family to the topic? Could be wrong.
    Yes, but the comparison I wasn't making wasn't about the laws, it was about the act of making personal decisions over political and ideological reasons. I think it's justified to make personal decisions for these reasons, dav thinks it isn't justified and that it's a sign of mental illness, apparently.


    I'm ideologically opposed to those instances of "judicial activism" and broad interpretations of the constitution, so those rulings particularly irk me. I also wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that it doesn't make sense to have control over naturalization but not over immigration. They are two different things altogether. while one cannot become naturalized without being an immigrant, one can be an immigrant without being naturalized.


    That's the justification, but I'm more with you.
    Good to hear it! Even though you and I are probably on total opposite ends of the spectrum on the specific laws we'd like to see implemented in our states, we are ideologically on the same page.

    Problem is, would Oregon have the right then to transport an Illegal Alien from Mexico through California and send that Alien back across the border? (this is assumeing Oregon passed a law like Arizona)
    I'd say that if California didn't let Oregon pass through, then Oregon should simply drop them off on the California side of the Oregon border.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    His comment wasn't political. It was that "Cuba went wrong when people became unable to separate politics from their personal lives." This is a belief that intermingling politics and perosnal lives is dangerous and will always lead to problems.

    Thus, it would be a stupid decision to go to a country that has had this same exact problem since it's very inception.
    I can guaruntee you that the U.S. does not have the problems he was describing Cuba to have; he has experienced both, and could tell you that. In fact, much of the reason that he claims that the U.S. is so great is that it is the country where (according to him) politics possibly matters the least on a personal level.

    Now, when I say politics, I'm not talking about POLICIES. Obviously those are going to affect everyone, and nothing can really stop that from being true. And I'm also not talking about things like getting involved in a political cause or campaign (or... internet forum), which I guess would make politics, in a way, part of someone's "personal" life. But what I'm talking about is decisions which have nothing to do with politics, but are made to anyways, without any real positive results, because of some high ideals that are placed above things that actually matter. For example, there is little that makes me see red more than close friendships splitting up just because of differences in political views, which happens all too often. If a Republican moved away from Vermont simply because it was too much of a "blue state", without regard for the actual conditions of the state, it would be indicative of the same thing - imagining one's own political stances to be so important, everything is seen through the scope of politics... and judgements are made on people, and places, based on what their political views are. On this forum, there's a word we often use for people who feel the need to politicize absolutely everything: "partisan" (even though that's not what the word means IRL). The type of poster who complains about the evul librals/conservatives, having apparently never met one in real life. Imagine that taken to an extreme, and imagine an entire country full of that extreme. That's what I'm saying my dad was saying about Cuba - it became like a country filled with forum trolls, except more extreme, and with IRL consequences. Every aspect of life became about the Revolution. In fact, that our own Revolution changed so little (as you pointed out earlier) is probably indicative of exactly what I'm talking about, that we're almost Cuba's opposite when it comes to this stuff.

    He should isntead have gone to a country that was founded by people who do not allow politics and ideology to enter into their personal lives, as this would prevent the same thing form occuring in his new homeland.

    It's not his ideology that should have guided his decision, his practical application of a belief he had should have guided his decision.
    If it's about a country's founders rather than the conditions of the country where he would live itself, then there's no pratical application about it that isn't entirely guided by ideology. And it makes no sense, since that ideology is that ideology shouldn't get in the way of personal decisions in the first place.
    Now, if you were saying that the same thing happens here as in Cuba in the modern day, that's a different matter. And it's just not true.

    I'm describing reality. Your position is in defiance of reality. You formulate your political positions and ideology based on personal preferences. They are intertwined from the very start. Your father would be searching for a very, very long time for the mythical land where politics and perosnal lives are not intertwined. There is no other possibility.
    Again, I think you don't get what I'm talking about when I say "personal lives". See above.
    And he's found that "mythical land", it's called the United States. Or so he says.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    How about "encouraging Illegal Immigration"? I’d like to see every State pass draconian laws about businesses hiring Illegal Aliens….. Laws tough enough to put a business out of business if they knowingly do hire just 1.

    There is no such thing as a “job Americans won’t do” There are jobs employers are getting away with offering substandard wages because of our Illegal Alien problem.
    As I said above, I agree completely that employers should be the focus.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To be clear, I am not calling for neglecting border security, I just firmly believe that we can never really stop the flow of terrorists. They will adapt and find a way. We can however do better than we have.

    I think the bigger solution is to reduce the success of those who come here illegally by going after people who employ or shelter illegals.
    No, I doubt we could ever stop it, but we're a long way from looking like we're stopping it. They're coming in here like a hot knife through butter.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law - USATODAY.com

    Looks like the new law is having the desired effect. Now if they would just do the same (enforce our current laws) on a national scale, the problem would be solved. Good job Arizona.
    racist...no reason to argue with some irrational moron

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Larkins View Post
    racist...no reason to argue with some irrational moron
    I would suggest a careful study of the Forum rules, or you won't last to make your 38th post.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Larkins View Post
    racist...no reason to argue with some irrational moron
    AHAH the irony.

    Good? The law clearly states your legal status can be checked while investigating a different crime. So if you already did something wrong theres no reason why you shouldn't be willing to prove you're a citizen. Too bad liberals have hyped this up soo much that they are spreading irrational fear in the hispanic community. All in defense of people committing crimes.

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