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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I agree completely; however, neither Republicans or Democrats would dare make any meaningful effort to go after businesses that hire illegal aliens. Sure, they will make a few measely laws and give big speeches claiming they have done all they can to correct the problem, but in the end will do all they can to protect businesses.

    Both know where the butter on their bread comes from.
    Weren't you saying there are no businesses which hire illegal aliens? I mean, you were so quick to dismiss the point when I didn't hand you the answer on a silver platter. So how can you fault the Republicans and Democrats for not going after businesses which hire illegal aliens if no such business exists? Hmmm, interesting.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which is sad. I have come to the conclusion that we never will do anything serious about illegal immigration simply because politicians are too cowardly to attempt it.
    You could stop buying from those companies. You can put pressure on the politicians. You can vote for people more willing to crack down. We're not yet completely out of the loop; we still have some influence on the system. Both politically and economically. You don't need to wait for the government to do something.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Weren't you saying there are no businesses which hire illegal aliens? I mean, you were so quick to dismiss the point when I didn't hand you the answer on a silver platter. So how can you fault the Republicans and Democrats for not going after businesses which hire illegal aliens if no such business exists? Hmmm, interesting.
    No, actually I didn't say any such thing. You said:

    If you have such a problem with illegal immigration, then you have to avoid buying things from companies or industries which promote the use of illegal immigrants.
    And I replied that I would gladly stop doing business with any company that "PROMOTES" the use of illegal immigrants if you supplied me a list. Big difference between companies that HIRE illegal immigrants and those that PROMOTE hiring illegal immigrants.

    By the way, I'm still waiting on that list of companies that promote illegal aliens.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No, actually I didn't say any such thing. You said:
    In fact you did. For we had a post which talked about cracking down on the companies which hire illegal immigrants to which you responded that you wish the government would. Yet when I mentioned that there were such companies and if you were really worried about it you'd look into and stop buying from them; you claimed that you needed a list as if no such company exists. So which is it? Should we come down hard on the government for allowing companies to hire illegal aliens, or are there no companies which hire illegal aliens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    And I replied that I would gladly stop doing business with any company that "PROMOTES" the use of illegal immigrants if you supplied me a list. Big difference between companies that HIRE illegal immigrants and those that PROMOTE hiring illegal immigrants.
    They are in fact equivalent. Companies which hire illegal aliens promote the practice of hiring illegal aliens. More will come because they know there are places where they can be employed. Is it a tough concept to understand? I don't really think so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    By the way, I'm still waiting on that list of companies that promote illegal aliens.
    And I'm still waiting for you to do your own research. I can't sit here and hold your hand and hope you'll do what's necessary to help control the problem. That has to be done by you. I cannot deliver everything to you. I don't know when we've started to lose the ideal of the rugged individual, wherein we can help ourselves and take care of ourselves; but it's been hurting us ever since we've abandoned it. It's time for you to learn how to take care of yourself. If this is a topic you feel deeply concerned about; then it is your responsibility to educate yourself and make the proper choices to influence the system in the direction you'd like to take it. It's not something which can be given.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    "Conservative" says it all.
    Overused....yes
    As an American citizen, I feel that its a compliment that the Mexicans have choosen our nation.
    Now that "we" are chasing them out, I feel embarrassed.
    You support people breaking our laws? Nice to know.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In fact you did. For we had a post which talked about cracking down on the companies which hire illegal immigrants to which you responded that you wish the government would. Yet when I mentioned that there were such companies and if you were really worried about it you'd look into and stop buying from them; you claimed that you needed a list as if no such company exists. So which is it? Should we come down hard on the government for allowing companies to hire illegal aliens, or are there no companies which hire illegal aliens.
    If you actually think a landscape company with a couple illegal aliens cutting grass is "promoting" illegal immigration, then I can't help you. You are so far into left field that I have no interest in further discussions on the subject with you.


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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I doubt that anyone who supports illegal immigrants gives two ****s about your disapproval of their stance. I'm sure some even revel in it.



    Wait. Your family came here from Cuba, right?

    Think about how your comments relate to their deeply personal decision to GTFO of Cuba. If not their own decision, then think of millions of other Cubans who made the deeply personal decision to leave their homeland for political and ideological reasons after Castro took power.

    Your theory sucks.
    Just out of curiosity, how does your example of a blood thirsty regime in Cuba relate to Arizona's law?

    I must have missed the part in that law where people are shot in the middle of the night.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, not at all. There have been raids on factories and industries for using illegal immigrants. Greely had a huge raid on the meat packing plant there. Many seasonal agricultural products such as strawberries are harvested with illegal alien labor. Lawn care services the country over hire many illegal immigrants because they can pay them poorly. A lot of construction is done with illegal immigrant labor. I mean, I figured this stuff was common knowledge at this point. But instead we have you trying to deflect away not only the fact that this takes place regularly, but your duty to understand and know about it. It's piss poor. People want to bitch about the illegal immigrant problem, but it's a problem through our consumerism. If we changed that, we could affect the system. But it takes getting up off your fat, lazy ass to do something about it. An act not many seem to want to do. In fact, you yourself are a prime example. You wanted the answer handed to you and when you didn't get it, you just ignored the problem. So thanks for contributing to the problem and working hard to be intellectually dishonest and lazy about it. But it's not doing anything to help out where we are at or to drive us to better circumstances. For that, you need educated consumerism. And no, the answer will not be given to you. You're going to actually have to do some work. Sorry, but the system doesn't stay controlled and regulated through no effort. You have to expend energy to keep the Republic going. So do it, or shut up. Because if you're just going to be part of the problem, no one wants to hear you bitching about the problem.
    No citizens besides the ones owning businesses hiring illegal aliens ever thought that "Hey, if we just ignored the immigration laws and let as many illegals from Mexico into this country my life would be so much better." The average conservative at least always wanted immigration laws enforced. Maybe some of the conservative politicians acted otherwise but conservatives in general would always want immigration laws enforced including against companies hiring illegal aliens. No politician ran on a platform of lax immigration law enforcement. To blame the citizens for the gross negligence of our government is ridiculous. To suggest the average citizen must now solve the problem is equally ridiculous. We certainly should let our vote speak on this matter. And by the way there have been protests against illegals by both groups and citizens for quite some time but of course those people and groups get called racists. Arizona has it right. Enforce the laws. And until the laws actually gets put into place quit assuming the law will be unfairly enforced. Give it a change to work.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Just out of curiosity, how does your example of a blood thirsty regime in Cuba relate to Arizona's law?

    I must have missed the part in that law where people are shot in the middle of the night.
    It doesn't relate to Arizona's law. Where'd you get the silly idea that what I was doing was making a comparison of the laws?
    Tucker Case - Tard magnet.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It should be that Arizona can take action and the Feds cannot. Just as there is no clause that limits State authority, there is no clause that grants federal authority.

    According to the 10th, that means it is reserved to the States.

    Thread derail!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So I'll help out.

    The Supreme Court has ruled that the Congressional power to regulate naturalization, in Article 1, Section 8, includes the power to regulate immigration (see, for example, Hampton v. Mow Sun Wong, 426 U.S. 88 [1976]). It would not make sense to allow Congress to pass laws to determine how an immigrant becomes a naturalized resident if the Congress cannot determine how that immigrant can come into the country in the first place.
    Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
    The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    That's the justification, but I'm more with you.

    Problem is, would Oregon have the right then to transport an Illegal Alien from Mexico through California and send that Alien back across the border? (this is assumeing Oregon passed a law like Arizona)
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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