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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    [*]It is illegal for any member of the Nevada Legislature to conduct official business wearing a penis costume while the legislature is in session
    We need to start enforcing this law. This epidemic of penis-clad legislators is getting out of control.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So while I think the cries of "unconstitutional" are bull**** if you're going to scream that at the states when its clear federal law allows it, but I do think its not too unreasonable to be more worried about Arizona then the rest of the country because for the rest of the country illegal immigration is essentially a blue law.
    I'm the exact opposite: The Arizona laws are absolutely, postively, 100% constitutional.

    It is the federal laws that are unconstitutional.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    We need to start enforcing this law. This epidemic of penis-clad legislators is getting out of control.
    Best law ever.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Give me a list of these supposed companies or industries that promote the use of illegal immigrants and I'll be glad to avoid them.
    Why should I do your work for you? If you're so bothered by it, do it yourself. Quit being lazy, that's how we got to this point now. People wanting others to do their work for them so they don't have to get off the couch or think about a problem. Illegal immigrants work all sorts of jobs from agriculture to construction to slaughter houses. If you don't like illegal immigration, you should look at what you're supporting. But don't sit there and demand that others do your work. It's your damned duty, and you need to do it.

    No wonder things are seemingly falling apart in this country. We've gotten far too lazy.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We've gotten far too lazy.
    We'll just get some illegals to do the grunt work for us.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Proof?
    Coorection: it is unlikely. There is nothing to indicate that it is happening.


    But not every state has the same attitude about illegals as Arizona does. Those who leave are simply moving to one of those states that have a different attitude.
    OK, this is what zyphlin said and I concede it.





    Then whyon Earth did he come to the US, which was founded because of personal decisions made using ideology and politcs as their basis?

    The whole revolution was about not wanting to pay taxes. It wasn't all that oppresive of a stituation for the founders. But most definitely they made their personal decisions based on ideology and politics.
    So, you are saying they should have made the personal decision of not moving to the US because of a political/ideological stance, which is that politics/ideology shouldn't interfere with personal decisions? That makes no sense at all.

    What you are describing is basically politicians in general, which are a different case (and usually choose their carreer for the personal reason that it is the type of career they want and a subect they are interested in; the same reasons any career is chosen).

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    We'll just get some illegals to do the grunt work for us.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    So, you are saying they should have made the personal decision of not moving to the US because of a political/ideological stance, which is that politics/ideology shouldn't interfere with personal decisions? That makes no sense at all.
    His comment wasn't political. It was that "Cuba went wrong when people became unable to separate politics from their personal lives." This is a belief that intermingling politics and perosnal lives is dangerous and will always lead to problems.

    Thus, it would be a stupid decision to go to a country that has had this same exact problem since it's very inception.

    He should isntead have gone to a country that was founded by people who do not allow politics and ideology to enter into their personal lives, as this would prevent the same thing form occuring in his new homeland.

    It's not his ideology that should have guided his decision, his practical application of a belief he had should have guided his decision.

    What you are describing is basically politicians in general, which are a different case (and usually choose their carreer for the personal reason that it is the type of career they want and a subect they are interested in; the same reasons any career is chosen).
    I'm describing reality. Your position is in defiance of reality. You formulate your political positions and ideology based on personal preferences. They are intertwined from the very start. Your father would be searching for a very, very long time for the mythical land where politics and perosnal lives are not intertwined. There is no other possibility.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    To be fair, and this goes to me too, towards the federal government...

    Sadly there's not been an administration in some time that actually took border enforcement seriously. We all got hoodwinkinked into thinking it was going to happen with the promises of it occuring after amnesty in the 80's and it didn't, and its not going to this time either if we give amnesty first. But because the Federal Government is so derelict in enforcing their own laws that are on the books and so wantonly ignoring criminals, what we have are federal immigration laws that are essentially on par with "Blue Laws" that you see in states and cities now.

    You know the type:
    • its illegal for a couple to hold hands on a sunday
    • its forbidden for a man with a moustache to kiss a woman
    • Its prohibited to eat onions between the hours of 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. while out riding a horse
    • its forbidden from buying drinks for more than three people other than himself at any one period during the day
    • It is illegal for any member of the Nevada Legislature to conduct official business wearing a penis costume while the legislature is in session.


    Those are all from the books of towns in Nevada, or its actual state law.

    That's essentially what most Federal immigration laws have became; they've become the equivilent of buying too many women drinks in a day or having a moustache while making out. They're laws that are ignored and found silly and devoid of any real use in either enforcing nor taking the time to remove them. They've become jokes, not just to us that want them enforced but to the people that are enforcing them.

    I doubt any citizens going to be bad that there's a law banning kissing if you have a mustache, however if they started enforcing it then that probably changes the situation.

    So while I think the cries of "unconstitutional" are bull**** if you're going to scream that at the states when its clear federal law allows it, but I do think its not too unreasonable to be more worried about Arizona then the rest of the country because for the rest of the country illegal immigration is essentially a blue law.
    The cries of unconstitutionality are hollow, because I see no clause whatsoever that precludes a state from doing this. Washington can say that it's their job, but the fact remains that it's not a mutually exclusive situation. It's not Arizona or the Fed can take action, it's Arizona and the Fed can take action.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The cries of unconstitutionality are hollow, because I see no clause whatsoever that precludes a state from doing this. Washington can say that it's their job, but the fact remains that it's not a mutually exclusive situation. It's not Arizona or the Fed can take action, it's Arizona and the Fed can take action.
    It should be that Arizona can take action and the Feds cannot. Just as there is no clause that limits State authority, there is no clause that grants federal authority.

    According to the 10th, that means it is reserved to the States.
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