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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Then it is still their own stupidity. Spending hundreds or thousands of dollars to move, and having to change jobs, just because you don't like a law that won't even effect you. Stupidity.
    I call it taking a stand for something you believe in.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I call it taking a stand for something you believe in.
    So they believe in Illegal Immigration.
    Good for them.....Not.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I call it taking a stand for something you believe in.
    Ironically, I had just said something relating to this in another thread:
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    Frankly, people who make deeply personal decisions based on an ideological or political stance are, IMO, deeply troubled and deluded people.
    Of course, in this case, there is nothing to indicate that it is actually happening... and I would bet that it probably isn't.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    People taking responsibility for their actions = taking responsibility for the things we buy and the attitudes and practices we endorse by doing so. If you have such a problem with illegal immigration, then you have to avoid buying things from companies or industries which promote the use of illegal immigrants. Of course, those products tend to be cheaper than other means, and people buy those things regardless.
    Give me a list of these supposed companies or industries that promote the use of illegal immigrants and I'll be glad to avoid them.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    I don't think its "stupid" to move if they morally disagree with the law and feel like moving is a form of protest or they do not wish to live in a state with such a law being enforced.

    I do think if they're moving because they think that its a unquestionable fact they're going to be harassed by cops for simply walking down the street, before this has even rolled out, that they're somewhat stupid.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law - USATODAY.com

    Looks like the new law is having the desired effect. Now if they would just do the same (enforce our current laws) on a national scale, the problem would be solved. Good job Arizona.
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    As an American citizen, I feel that its a compliment that the Mexicans have choosen our nation.
    Now that "we" are chasing them out, I feel embarrassed.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So they believe in Illegal Immigration.
    Good for them.....Not.
    I doubt that anyone who supports illegal immigrants gives two ****s about your disapproval of their stance. I'm sure some even revel in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Ironically, I had just said something relating to this in another thread:


    Of course, in this case, there is nothing to indicate that it is actually happening... and I would bet that it probably isn't.
    Wait. Your family came here from Cuba, right?

    Think about how your comments relate to their deeply personal decision to GTFO of Cuba. If not their own decision, then think of millions of other Cubans who made the deeply personal decision to leave their homeland for political and ideological reasons after Castro took power.

    Your theory sucks.
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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I doubt that anyone who supports illegal immigrants gives two ****s about your disapproval of their stance. I'm sure some even revel in it.
    Nobody's leaving to take a stand for illegal immigration. But if they were, it would make no sense that they came to the US in the first place, where illegal immigration is just as illegal everywhere as it is in Arizona.


    Think about how your comments relate to their deeply personal decision to GTFO of Cuba. If not their own decision, then think of millions of other Cubans who made the deeply personal decision to leave their homeland for political and ideological reasons after Castro took power.

    Your theory sucks.
    They left because the country's politics were affecting their personal lives in ways they could no longer tolerate. Not to take a stand or anything stupid like that. In fact, my dad has always stressed that Cuba went wrong when people became unable to separate politics from their personal lives. Actually, my idea probably COMES FROM that situation which you seem to think disproves it.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    To be fair, and this goes to me too, towards the federal government...

    Sadly there's not been an administration in some time that actually took border enforcement seriously. We all got hoodwinkinked into thinking it was going to happen with the promises of it occuring after amnesty in the 80's and it didn't, and its not going to this time either if we give amnesty first. But because the Federal Government is so derelict in enforcing their own laws that are on the books and so wantonly ignoring criminals, what we have are federal immigration laws that are essentially on par with "Blue Laws" that you see in states and cities now.

    You know the type:
    • its illegal for a couple to hold hands on a sunday
    • its forbidden for a man with a moustache to kiss a woman
    • Its prohibited to eat onions between the hours of 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. while out riding a horse
    • its forbidden from buying drinks for more than three people other than himself at any one period during the day
    • It is illegal for any member of the Nevada Legislature to conduct official business wearing a penis costume while the legislature is in session.


    Those are all from the books of towns in Nevada, or its actual state law.

    That's essentially what most Federal immigration laws have became; they've become the equivilent of buying too many women drinks in a day or having a moustache while making out. They're laws that are ignored and found silly and devoid of any real use in either enforcing nor taking the time to remove them. They've become jokes, not just to us that want them enforced but to the people that are enforcing them.

    I doubt any citizens going to be bad that there's a law banning kissing if you have a mustache, however if they started enforcing it then that probably changes the situation.

    So while I think the cries of "unconstitutional" are bull**** if you're going to scream that at the states when its clear federal law allows it, but I do think its not too unreasonable to be more worried about Arizona then the rest of the country because for the rest of the country illegal immigration is essentially a blue law.

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    Re: Hispanics flee Arizona ahead of immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Nobody's leaving to take a stand for illegal immigration.
    Proof?

    But if they were, it would make no sense that they came to the US in the first place, where illegal immigration is just as illegal everywhere as it is in Arizona.
    But not every state has the same attitude about illegals as Arizona does. Those who leave are simply moving to one of those states that have a different attitude.

    I support Arizona's right to pass these laws, and I support the people's right to GTFO of Arizona if they disagree with those laws. I'd rather see the Federal laws repealed since they only exist as an unsurptation of State Authority on the subject. That's a different thread, though. I started it in the immigration forum if you want to discuss the unconstitutional nature of the Federal immigration laws. Nobody seems to want to explain to me how federalizing Immigration laws, even though they are not an ennumerated power, isn't simply encouraging a nanny-state, judicial activism, and broad, liberal interpretations of the constitution.



    They left because the country's politics were affecting their personal lives in ways they could no longer tolerate. Not to take a stand or anything stupid like that. In fact, my dad has always stressed that Cuba went wrong when people became unable to separate politics from their personal lives. Actually, my idea probably COMES FROM that situation which you seem to think disproves it.
    Then whyon Earth did he come to the US, which was founded because of personal decisions made using ideology and politcs as their basis?

    The whole revolution was about not wanting to pay taxes. It wasn't all that oppresive of a stituation for the founders. But most definitely they made their personal decisions based on ideology and politics.
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