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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well clearly it's in the book. It says shoot to kill if someone throws rocks. Discussion over.
    It says no warning shots. And if you shoot, you shoot to kill... WAIT!!! That's what I've been saying since the beginning. Oh snap, it's hard to be humble when you are as right as I am.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No YOU are implying that my attitude is sheerly because the kid was Mexican. You are playing a passive aggressive game trying to paint me as "just a racist" because you have no counter to my comments. You said they should have used "less then lethal force" and I tore that apart, several times. You are left with nothing, so you pull that crap to try and discredit me because you have so far failed to make an argument that stands up to scrutiny.
    I didn't bring up that example, but here's my example. A 15 year old kid from Minnesota throws rocks at the police, would you advocate lethally shooting that kid? They should have used less than lethal force, and if they didn't have any less than lethal weapons on them(which they should have) they should have fired warning shots. Also you are exaggerating the lethality of throwing rocks in this situation. They weren't being stoned.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
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    Warning shots are for Hollywood, and only Hollywood.


    The Pros & Cons of Warning Shots and Signal Shots
    From your source, there, it seems as though this officer would have had nothing to lose BY firing a warning shot. Your quoted document states "However, there are situations where warning shots would not only be appropriate, but also be an effective technique to prevent the necessity of the application of additional force" and also that it is UNACCEPTABLE to fire a warning shot and kill a victim. However, this victim was killed intentionally by the officer. So, what, if it was a warning shot gone wrong it's unacceptable, but if he's doing it with an intent to kill him, it's okay?

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I didn't bring up that example, but here's my example. A 15 year old kid from Minnesota throws rocks at the police, would you advocate lethally shooting that kid? They should have used less than lethal force, and if they didn't have any less than lethal weapons on them(which they should have) they should have fired warning shots. Also you are exaggerating the lethality of throwing rocks in this situation. They weren't being stoned.

    I've all ready, repeatedly shown that Warning Shots are FOR HOLLYWOOD.

    Secondly, if you throw rocks at police, and the police feel threatened with death/bodily harm. Shoot to kill.

    Your arguments would greatly benefit from some understanding of The REAL World, and not your fantasy land of "cops should fire warning shots" you get from watching TV and thinking that's how life works. It don't.

    Besides, I didn't make this about race, the AP did with their story.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by sparks View Post
    From your source, there, it seems as though this officer would have had nothing to lose BY firing a warning shot. Your quoted document states "However, there are situations where warning shots would not only be appropriate, but also be an effective technique to prevent the necessity of the application of additional force" and also that it is UNACCEPTABLE to fire a warning shot and kill a victim. However, this victim was killed intentionally by the officer. So, what, if it was a warning shot gone wrong it's unacceptable, but if he's doing it with an intent to kill him, it's okay?

    If you fire a "Warning shot" and miss, you risk unintentionally hitting a bystander. You shoot, you aim for center mass and shoot to kill. End of story.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Lethal force isn't the appropriate response to rock throwing.
    1) that is stupid-rocks can kill

    2) throwing a rock at someone with a gun is even more stupid and perhaps should be fatal

    3) I believe in Darwin-



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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I've all ready, repeatedly shown that Warning Shots are FOR HOLLYWOOD.

    Secondly, if you throw rocks at police, and the police feel threatened with death/bodily harm. Shoot to kill.

    Your arguments would greatly benefit from some understanding of The REAL World, and not your fantasy land of "cops should fire warning shots" you get from watching TV and thinking that's how life works. It don't.

    Besides, I didn't make this about race, the AP did with their story.
    I'm not getting this from Hollywood, if anyone is its you with your Rambo mentality.

    In real life when you shoot somebody they die, and this person was killed. Thats what I'm concerned about, if the officers used other methods to stop this child, they could of saved a life.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If you fire a "Warning shot" and miss, you risk unintentionally hitting a bystander. You shoot, you aim for center mass and shoot to kill. End of story.
    What bystander? One of the OTHER people throwing rocks? Your own document there says that warning shots are sometimes acceptable, even effective. Not always, sure, but there are situations where they might be called for.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    My warning "shot" is when I call my Rottweiler, German Shepard and Pug to meet said intruder.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    OH btw... any warning shots fired?
    you really do not know much of anything about using firearms for self defense do you?



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