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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, they acted professionally. Professionals don't fire warning shots.
    Against kids with rocks they should.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, they acted professionally. Professionals don't fire warning shots.
    We're not talking about Rambo III here V...

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

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    Thats basement talk, I've been here for a month and already know that. Not going to bait me into saying that upstairs.
    No YOU are implying that my attitude is sheerly because the kid was Mexican. You are playing a passive aggressive game trying to paint me as "just a racist" because you have no counter to my comments. You said they should have used "less then lethal force" and I tore that apart, several times. You are left with nothing, so you pull that crap to try and discredit me because you have so far failed to make an argument that stands up to scrutiny.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    We're not talking about Rambo III here V...
    7) USE OF FIREARMS - Immigration cannot use their weapons unless they believe that a person is going to kill or seriously hurt them or some other person. "Warning shots" are expressly prohibited.
    http://polson.cals.cornell.edu/cals/...ts-English.pdf
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, they acted professionally. Professionals don't fire warning shots.
    Please clarify, because it seems to me that if an officer fires a warning shot, he's showing at least a modicum of awareness that there's something else to be done prior to pointing the gun at a teenager and firing, and facing all the legal ramifications/investigations that come as a result of it.

    Edit: I now see your above source. However, just out of curiosity, how would that document (and also, you) define "warning shots"?
    Last edited by sparks; 06-08-10 at 11:01 PM.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Against kids with rocks they should.
    7) USE OF FIREARMS - Immigration cannot use their weapons unless they believe that a person is going to kill or seriously hurt them or some other person. "Warning shots" are expressly prohibited.

    http://polson.cals.cornell.edu/cals/...ts-English.pdf
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Well there it is everyone. It's in the book.

    Shall we move on: Source: Lohan's SCRAM bracelet is set off - CNN.com

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by sparks View Post
    Please clarify, because it seems to me that if an officer fires a warning shot, he's showing at least a modicum of awareness that there's something else to be done prior to pointing the gun at a teenager and firing, and facing all the legal ramifications/investigations that come as a result of it.
    7) USE OF FIREARMS - Immigration cannot use their weapons unless they believe that a person is going to kill or seriously hurt them or some other person. "Warning shots" are expressly prohibited.
    Untitled Document

    Warning shots are for Hollywood, and only Hollywood.

    Warning Shots - Introduction:

    Warning shots are routinely banned by most law enforcement agencies for several reasons: the agencies may not trust their officers to make such a risky decision; the agencies are not willing to risk the intense (and costly) scrutiny of a negative outcome - when a warning shot impacts on a person(1); or, when one officer's firing of a warning shot leads other officers to believe that the suspect has fired a shot.(2) Finally, it may be that warning shots do not always work.(3) However, there are situations where warning shots would not only be appropriate, but also be an effective technique to prevent the necessity of the application of additional force. For example, warning shots have been proven effective in the stopping fleeing suspects(4). A warning shot could also be fired to get the attention of a crowd which is turning violent when no other means of communication may work. A warning shot could stop an armed aggressor who is moving in the direction of another person.

    When a warning shot goes awry and hits a person(5) there is no acceptable excuse. Even if the shot is not construed as a Constitutional wrong(6), the shooting will be minimally considered as negligence on the part of the officer. "Any reasonable person would realize that firing a gun in someone's direction at close range [firing a warning shot] raises the likelihood that the person [within] the target [zone] may be hit by the bullet."(7) Where [a] police chief stated that he only intended to fire a warning shot, and the shot impacted on the suspect, the court said "There is no dispute ... over the fact that [the police chief] intentionally discharged his weapon in [the suspect's] direction and that the harm to [the suspect] was foreseeable. As the intent to fire is the only fact significant to the legal determination of whether [the police chief's] act was intentional."(8)
    The Pros & Cons of Warning Shots and Signal Shots
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well there it is everyone. It's in the book.

    Shall we move on: Source: Lohan's SCRAM bracelet is set off - CNN.com

    What?? Is this your way of admitting you've been wrong and admit defeat?

    ACES!
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post

    What?? Is this your way of admitting you've been wrong and admit defeat?

    ACES!
    Well clearly it's in the book. It says shoot to kill if someone throws rocks. Discussion over.

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