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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    actually, if their job is to patrol the border and prevent and intercept illegal entry, retreating away from the crossing would be dereliction of duty, no?
    Not the way I've presented this argument here and in the other thread.

    The range necessary to avoid danger from a thrown rock isn't all that great. One can simply pull back far enough that in order to continue throwing rocks with any chance of sucess, the person has to cross the border. Once they do cross the border and try to throw a rock, they can be blown away to th eBorder Agent's heart's content.

    Look at it this way... If simple rocks could make the border patrol retreat, it would be even easier to cross this border, no?
    Not if the "retreat" is done intelligently. It's actualy just falling back to get into a better defensive position.

    If the rock throwers are on their side of the border, there's no problem. That's where they are supposed to be. Let them throw rocks ineffectively if they wish. Like a small child crying, they'll tire themselves out eventually.

    Or they'll actually cross the border and get arrested or killed for it.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    People should be shot for spitting on a flag?
    People were shot for much less.... But then again.... The border patrol should have used warning shots first before he actually engaged.....

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    People were shot for much less.... But then again.... The border patrol should have used warning shots first before he actually engaged.....
    I said that somewhere on page 3 or 4. No go with the "we should kill all border crossers" hardliners.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    People were shot for much less.... But then again.... The border patrol should have used warning shots first before he actually engaged.....
    The problem with that is the BP doesn't allow warning shots to be fired.

    Why the BP removes this ability form their agents, I do not know. Seems like a silly ban and it adds to the danger their agents face, IMO
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    People were shot for much less.... But then again.... The border patrol should have used warning shots first before he actually engaged.....
    No, he shouldn't have. Warning shots are forbidden and would likely have gotten the border patrol into trouble. Additionally if he had enough ability to fire of a warning shot then he'd have enough ability to properly retreat, thus rendoring the notion of shooting to kill completely uncalled for. You fire your weapon if, and only if, you feel shooting to kill is required because your life or the life of someone you're charged to protect is at stake. If you're firing not to kill then you shouldn't be firing at all.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I said that somewhere on page 3 or 4. No go with the "we should kill all border crossers" hardliners.

    Some Americans answer to everything. Just kill a bunch of people and it'll solve the problem...
    It seems others are having a hard time with reading comprehension.

    Please provide names of those "we should kill all who cross the boarder" hardliners and quotes to back up that is their stance.

    From what I remember you were turned down by those "Border Agents should follow the regulations of the job" hardliners.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, he shouldn't have. Warning shots are forbidden and would likely have gotten the border patrol into trouble. Additionally if he had enough ability to fire of a warning shot then he'd have enough ability to properly retreat, thus rendoring the notion of shooting to kill completely uncalled for. You fire your weapon if, and only if, you feel shooting to kill is required because your life or the life of someone you're charged to protect is at stake. If you're firing not to kill then you shouldn't be firing at all.
    That's a good argument in favor of the BP's ban on warning shots.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, he shouldn't have. Warning shots are forbidden and would likely have gotten the border patrol into trouble. Additionally if he had enough ability to fire of a warning shot then he'd have enough ability to properly retreat, thus rendoring the notion of shooting to kill completely uncalled for. You fire your weapon if, and only if, you feel shooting to kill is required because your life or the life of someone you're charged to protect is at stake. If you're firing not to kill then you shouldn't be firing at all.
    It's my understanding that certain criteria have to be met before "shoot to kill" orders are in effect.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's my understanding that certain criteria have to be met before "shoot to kill" orders are in effect.
    I believe that to be true. With that said to my understanding there is no in between. Its either "Don't shoot" or "Shoot to kill". From what I'm able to gather there is not "shoot to wound" or "Shoot to warn" or "shoot to maybe kill" in between as some in this thread and others have seemed to indicated should've been the prefered method.

    You either don't shoot or you aim center mass and shoot to kill. When it comes to discharging ones firearm to my understanding there is no grey area.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's a good argument in favor of the BP's ban on warning shots.
    Why don’t the police fire “warning shots” and give suspects the chance to throw down their weapons?

    The national standard among police agencies is not to fire warning shots. The Seattle Police Department complies with that standard. The carefully scripted plots of movies and television programs frequently involve armed suspects who appear easily persuaded to relinquish their weapons and surrender to police officers. Unfortunately, many of the people that police officers confront are not nearly so compliant. Some may be incapable of making a rational decision to surrender, because of a mental state or chemically induced condition. Others may have so strong a motivation to flee or fight that they will not consider complying with officers’ orders to stop. As noted above, officers may only have one chance to use their weapons. Making (likely to be ineffective) shots in the air that have the added potential of harming others may not be the best use of that one opportunity.
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    I'm looking for police links to refute this notion of Warning Shots' being a viable option, they are not.
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