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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, it is a point of contention. You need to learn the difference if you are going to be at a debate site.
    The point of contention is wrong then. You and Tucker have taken the position that if an Agent is being pelted with rocks, unless the perp is right in front of them, the Agent should do anything BUT use lethal force.

    Fortunate for our Law Enforcement folks, they are guided by principles far more realistic then ya'lls. Policies that put their lives, above the lives of rock throwing criminals. Which I have demonstrated repeatedly that the actions of the Agent in question did not violate any laws, rules or regulations.

    The FBI has clear video of the event, and chances are this will be determined as a clean shoot. The real danger here is if political considerations scape goat this guy.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And if they were on our side, he had every right to open fire.
    By the BP rules, it doesn't matter which side of the border they are on.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The point of contention is wrong then. You and Tucker have taken the position that if an Agent is being pelted with rocks, unless the perp is right in front of them, the Agent should do anything BUT use lethal force.
    False. Again, the above only proves that you are not really understanding the position that was taken.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    False. Again, the above only proves that you are not really understanding the position that was taken.
    Yawn, you said 10 feet away yeah shoot, but the kid was further away so..

    blah blah blah here's tucker changing his stance again. It's called the Stance Dance.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The point of contention is wrong then. You and Tucker have taken the position that if an Agent is being pelted with rocks, unless the perp is right in front of them, the Agent should do anything BUT use lethal force.
    Are you being obtuse on purpose, or are you really just failing at comprehending what they're saying?

    Neither of them are saying that an agent being pelted with rocks should do anything BUT use lethal force unless the perp is right in front of them.

    They are both saying that if the agent is being pelted with rocks by individuals on the other side of the border, and they would be able to disengage farther into the American side of the border to a point where the rock thrower could no longer present a danger unless they cross into American soil, that they should not use lethal force.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Are you being obtuse on purpose, or are you really just failing at comprehending what they're saying?

    Neither of them are saying that an agent being pelted with rocks should do anything BUT use lethal force unless the perp is right in front of them.

    They are both saying that if the agent is being pelted with rocks by individuals on the other side of the border, and they would be able to disengage farther into the American side of the border to a point where the rock thrower could no longer present a danger unless they cross into American soil, that they should not use lethal force.



    actually, if their job is to patrol the border and prevent and intercept illegal entry, retreating away from the crossing would be dereliction of duty, no?



    Look at it this way... If simple rocks could make the border patrol retreat, it would be even easier to cross this border, no?
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    actually, if their job is to patrol the border and prevent and intercept illegal entry, retreating away from the crossing would be dereliction of duty, no?

    Look at it this way... If simple rocks could make the border patrol retreat, it would be even easier to cross this border, no?
    Where in the world did I in any way agree with or disagree with Tucker and Jail's assertions? You're making an argument against something I never intimated or said. You know what they call that Reverend, you declare other people using said tactic often so I know you know.

    There are many ways to disagree with what Tucker and Jallman are stating. However if one is incapable of not continually and repeatedly misrepresenting and mistating what it is they believe and can not properly articulate the fact that they actually grasp what it is they're arguing then ones argumenst against it are meaningless.

    If I say "The Sky is Purple" then it'd be pretty easy to prove me wrong. However if your endevour to prove me wrong is predicated over the notion that you believe I'm declaring the sky is green and thus are proving that the sky really ISN'T green you're not really putting forth an argument worth considering because you're not even grasping what I said initially well enough to even properly counter it.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    By the BP rules, it doesn't matter which side of the border they are on.
    Then the rules are wrong.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    actually, if their job is to patrol the border and prevent and intercept illegal entry, retreating away from the crossing would be dereliction of duty, no?



    Look at it this way... If simple rocks could make the border patrol retreat, it would be even easier to cross this border, no?
    No one is saying to tuck tail and run. All that is being said is that in the event simple rocks are being thrown, back up to a safe distance and hold fire until they cross the border. Then do whatever you like, within our own laws.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    actually, if their job is to patrol the border and prevent and intercept illegal entry, retreating away from the crossing would be dereliction of duty, no?

    Look at it this way... If simple rocks could make the border patrol retreat, it would be even easier to cross this border, no?
    Now, that said, I shouldn't be speaking for them...but I'll do so simply to illustrate that it is actually possible to grasp their argument even if one doesn't agree with them.

    I would imagine that the argument would be that if throwing rocks at them causes border patrol officers to retreat that it wouldn't make it any easier to illegal cross the border in any effective way. By that I mean any way that would actually make a difference, as once they cross the border if they have any intention of coming outside of rock range then they could easily be nabbed and thus it really doesn't matter. Additionally, as evident by them both saying repeatly they don't care about the shot if they were on U.S. soil, if said rock throwers tried to expand upon this strategy onto U.S. soil then they'd be in favor of them being shot.

    So yes, it'd make it easier in theory to "cross the border" but ultimately have no real affect since it would have little impact on their ability to get significantly farther into the border or stay within the border.

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