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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Then you would deserve to be tried for murder.



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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If his life was actually in danger, and he didn't give up his attempted arrest in order to provide himself better coverage from the attacks, he would deserve to die.
    So every time our lives are threatened instead of dealing with the threat accordingly we should just allow people to violate the law because they were willing to use lethal force.

    Nice. Liberal ideology at its worst, I think im done here.


    Would he be expected to keep holding the guy if they were bullets coming at him? I'd think that any rational and intelligent person would release teh guy and try to defend himself from a position of cover.
    Depends on if he could quickly assess where the shot was coming from and take out the threat without having to run for cover first in order to do so.
    If some sniper was shooting at him, sure.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    No more like 40% which still is a large number and pretty silly.
    And you base this off of what? Generalization?

    Is it what you feel?
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Then you would deserve to be tried for murder.
    Its ignorant liberal ideologies like this that put our Police Officers and Military personnel in a greater danger of being casualties than we need to be.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Rocks are considered deadly weapons when hurled as projectiles by most police districts.
    If I were hurling blunt objects at a suspect's head, It would be considered using lethal force.

    Therefore, if a suspect does it, it shall also be considered lethal force.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Had he shot one of the one's that were on the US side of the border, I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
    Honestly, do you think you would have been able to stop shooting at people who were throwing rocks at you, just because they crossed an imaginary line determining which country each is in? Even when that "line" also happens to be a river (although it definitely looked more like a small, dried up stream in that video). I do understand that many don't consider rocks a lethal weapon, eventhough they can be. And the case really isn't as clear cut as either side is making it sound. But it certainly isn't honest to expect every person to be able to automatically pause in their shooting, while trying to defend themselves and being outnumbered, just because the suspects crossed the border. Now, I will say, that if the rock throwing had stopped, then he should have stopped shooting, but I have no idea if the rock throwing had stopped from that video. I really don't know if the shooting will be ruled as justified or not, but I really think, with the given statements and evidence we have, that it should be.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So every time our lives are threatened instead of dealing with the threat accordingly we should just allow people to violate the law because they were willing to use lethal force.
    Not even remotely close to what I said.

    I actually said that if the arresting officer's life is actually in danger and he tries to continue the arrest instead of preserving his life, he would in fact deserve to die.

    This is just darwinism. If somoene is so stupid that they try to do anything else but preserve their life, they dont deserve to live.

    This means that trying to continue an arrest in teh face of mortal danger is so unbelievably stupid, somoene who does this deserves to die.

    Not a very liberal attitude, if one actually wants to look at it rationally.

    I said nothing about not using lethal force in the face of a real life danger. I'm using the fact that one can try to continue the arrest while shooting back a tthe perosn as proof that the danger he is in is not really life threatening. If it was, he'd be smart enough to give up on the arrest in order to preserve his life.

    Nice. Liberal ideology at its worst, I think im done here.
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    Depends on if he could quickly assess where the shot was coming from and take out the threat without having to run for cover first in order to do so.
    If some sniper was shooting at him, sure.
    He should shoot back with one hand in a truly life threatening situation?!?!?

    Anyone who does that deserves to die for the sake of the gene pool, IMO.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Not even remotely close to what I said.

    I actually said that if the arresting officer's life is actually in danger and he tries to continue the arrest instead of preserving his life, he would in fact deserve to die.

    This is just darwinism. If somoene is so stupid that they try to do anything else but preserve their life, they dont deserve to live.

    This means that trying to continue an arrest in teh face of mortal danger is so unbelievably stupid, somoene who does this deserves to die.

    Not a very liberal attitude, if one actually wants to look at it rationally.

    I said nothing about not using lethal force in the face of a real life danger. I'm using the fact that one can try to continue the arrest while shooting back a tthe perosn as proof that the danger he is in is not really life threatening. If it was, he'd be smart enough to give up on the arrest in order to preserve his life.



    If you are done here, it' snot because of liberal idieology, it's because you joined the "I'd rather make up **** instead of actually debate the poitns that are made" bandwagon.





    He should shoot back with one hand in a truly life threatening situation?!?!?

    Anyone who does that deserves to die for the sake of the gene pool, IMO.
    Two hands, one hand...

    If its a pistol, wtf is the difference?

    Im just in a lowly city department and we train to shoot our firearms with one hand......
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Its ignorant liberal ideologies like this that put our Police Officers and Military personnel in a greater danger of being casualties than we need to be.
    Don't hand me your idiotic "ignorant liberal idealogies" rant as if it has some kind of partisan relevance to your defense of using lethal force against nonlethal resistance from across a border. I don't give a good goddamn if you are a cop or not...the fact that you are should leave you in a position of knowing better than to advocate lethal force used in this situation. This isn't about conservative or liberal. This is about excessive use of force against a civilian.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Honestly, do you think you would have been able to stop shooting at people who were throwing rocks at you, just because they crossed an imaginary line determining which country each is in?
    I would never shoot at someone for throwing rocks at me from a distance of greater than 10 feet. If they had a slingshot, I'd shoot. But not for hand thrown rocks. I'd be more likely to catch one of the rocks and wing it back at them, as I have in the past when I was faced with such a situation in real life.


    Even when that "line" also happens to be a river (although it definitely looked more like a small, dried up stream in that video). I do understand that many don't consider rocks a lethal weapon, eventhough they can be. And the case really isn't as clear cut as either side is making it sound. But it certainly isn't honest to expect every person to be able to automatically pause in their shooting, while trying to defend themselves and being outnumbered, just because the suspects crossed the border. Now, I will say, that if the rock throwing had stopped, then he should have stopped shooting, but I have no idea if the rock throwing had stopped from that video. I really don't know if the shooting will be ruled as justified or not, but I really think, with the given statements and evidence we have, that it should be.
    I think the opposite so far. I don't see a valid reason to elevate teh situation to lethal force. If he had even tried to dodge a single rock, I might be convinced that lethal force was necessary. But calmly standng up while still holding the suspect he had in custody, even dragging him towards the border, tells me he never really felt his life was in danger. Just that he didn't want to be hit with rocks and wanted to get his arrest.
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