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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I admit mistakes all the time. I also have teh fortitude to actually apologize for making them, especialy if they involve an accusation.



    False. My initial post was:



    As you can see, the argument involved them being on the Mexican side of the border from the very start. I don't consider rocks thrown at a distance of greater than 20 feet to be a legitimate weapon to warrant lethal force. But I do allow for the caveat that Lethal force is warranted if the perosn is on the US side of the border, due to the fact that this is well-within the Border Guards jurisdiction.

    The clarification about being able to shoot over the border came here (which is the third of fourth post by me in that thread):



    Clearly I was never arguing anything but what I have said I was arguing the whole time. Nothing has changed in my stance.



    As you can see, the only person lying is you. You are lying about understanding my argument, and you are lying in how you are portraying that argument. Nothing I have said has been proven wrong.



    Me admitting errror just last week:



    When someone actually proves me wrong, I am totally willing to admit error. I would even be willing to wager that I have done this far mroe often than you have.

    My contention is that your admission of error was merely a prevetantaive measure to keep me form pointing out the error, which you could do nothing to dodge. You still haven't admitted the error that exists in the attacks on my credibility. That can only be admitted through an apology directly tro me for your unfounded accusations.

    By teh way, on the "character" accusation, allow me to add into evidence an apology that I have offered to others due to an error made by me:



    As I thought about my error in that thread, it occured to me that it might have caused offense to otehrs. I added the apology as an additional aspect due to the fact that I felt guilty over the offense that my error may have caused. It may not have been absolutey necessary in that case, for I made no accusations, but I offered it anyway because I felt it was the right thing to do in that case.

    What I did not do was compound the error by repeating it. i.e. Your accusations against me earlier for having "deleted" posts was as unfounded as your accusations now about my character. I do not expect you to have the character to apologize for either of these accusations, but I would be pelasently surprised if you did display that degree of character.
    You are trying with the apology thing to get one or both of us into trouble, and I for one refuse to step into that trap.

    You posted this big block of you responding to you.

    Yes, YOU don't consider rocks to be a threat. Law Enforcement does.

    YOU don't think they should be allowed to shoot into Mexico. Law Enforcement CAN.

    You, spent a lot of time trying to ignore the facts of the case to justify your errant opinion. Is anyone aside you buying this?
    I'm thinking no, no they are not. You insulted everyone that doesn't agree with you as not being smart enough to "Get" your logic. Sorry, you failed to make your case about anything other then your personal, and wrong, opinion.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    In any case where the border patrol agents are shot at, I absolutley support their ability to shoot back. If they are not shooting back in these instances, I agree with you that they should be shooting into Mexico more often.




    So setting up a ranch with a range that points towards mexico, goes too far for you?
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    This thread has now devolved into word play, next we'll be disecting the letters of each post to measure the precision with which a point was made. The kid was throwing rocks at authorities. He didn't stop, he was shot for it. End of story.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This thread has now devolved into word play, next we'll be disecting the letters of each post to measure the precision with which a point was made. The kid was throwing rocks at authorities. He didn't stop, he was shot for it. End of story.
    And there is video evidence that the Mexican Police crossed into our borders, took something from the ground and carried it back with them across the borders. So unless that is cleared up, I believe the police from Mexico dragged the body over to their place and made it seem like someone got shot on their side of the border...

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Mr V: " And to settle Tucker is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY full of ****,"

    Since when is calling someone "COMPLITELY and UTTERLY full of ****" not an insult?

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This thread has now devolved into word play, next we'll be disecting the letters of each post to measure the precision with which a point was made. The kid was throwing rocks at authorities. He didn't stop, he was shot for it. End of story.
    I am glad that most americans with guns don't shoot their kids for throwing rocks. Who hasn't at one time thrown a rock at another person in their lifetime. I would guess, none.


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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You are trying with the apology thing to get one or both of us into trouble, and I for one refuse to step into that trap.
    Another accusation on your part founded on ignorance. I'm asking for an apology simply because you guys both made false accusations towards me in this thread. You both accused me of doing something I did not do because you were both ignroant of the fact that teh commetns you were looking for were never in this thread.

    Tex admitted to teh error that led to the accusations, but did not do anything to rectify the accusations. You've done neither.

    Yet somehow, you think it is appropriate to compound your error by making mroe errors of the same quality.

    Very odd.

    You posted this big block of you responding to you.
    I posted a big block of evidence proving you and tex wrong.

    Yes, YOU don't consider rocks to be a threat. Law Enforcement does.
    Correction: I don't consider rocks thrown at larger distances to be a threat. If someoen were to hold a rock in their hand and bludgeon someoen ,that is a very real and effective threat to one's life and safety. The danger posed by rocks is inversely proportional to the distance of the person doing the threatening and the person being threatened.

    My poisition is that when the person with the rocks is on the other side of the border (a clearly defined limit) the person being threatened has the ability to dramatically reduce the threat by increasing the distance between the thrower and themselves.

    If the prson throwing the rocks crosses the border, it is clear that they

    YOU don't think they should be allowed to shoot into Mexico. Law Enforcement CAN.
    That is incorrect.

    I have proven that this is not my position in very the post that you quoted.


    You, spent a lot of time trying to ignore the facts of the case to justify your errant opinion. Is anyone aside you buying this?
    I'm thinking no, no they are not. You insulted everyone that doesn't agree with you as not being smart enough to "Get" your logic. Sorry, you failed to make your case about anything other then your personal, and wrong, opinion.
    You don't get my position. That's clearly evident.

    For example, you could not have said "YOU don't think they should be allowed to shoot into Mexico." if you understood my position. Unless of course you do understand my position, in which case thatr would mean that you are just lying about my position.

    I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. An inability to understand what I'm saying is not a negative quality. There can be a plethora of reasons for an inability to understand my position.

    However, willful dishonesty is somethign I would not accuse you of.

    Because there are only two options here:

    1. You don't understand
    2. You are lying.

    The option that doesn't exist, regardles of what you may think to be true, is that you both understand my position AND are telling the truth truth about that position.

    Those two situations are mutually exclusive at this point.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So setting up a ranch with a range that points towards mexico, goes too far for you?
    Probably.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    And there is video evidence that the Mexican Police crossed into our borders, took something from the ground and carried it back with them across the borders. So unless that is cleared up, I believe the police from Mexico dragged the body over to their place and made it seem like someone got shot on their side of the border...
    There's other video that shows that the kid was on the Mexican side of the border when he was shot. It was posted in this thread.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I am glad that most americans with guns don't shoot their kids for throwing rocks. Who hasn't at one time thrown a rock at another person in their lifetime. I would guess, none.

    Have you every thrown rocks at a police officer?
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