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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

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    Ever heard of less than lethal?
    Just something to keep in mind if you are ever hiking in the woods. Its never a good idea to poke the bears....



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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

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    Less than lethal isn't "just for movies", and it's far better to use less than lethal weapons on a 15 year old throwing rocks than to kill him.

    And I don't hate our boarder patrol agents, but I also don't hate young Mexican kids either. They shouldn't be throwing rocks at our guys, but there are better ways to take him down than to lethally shot him.
    The Agents were on bikes. The pedal powered kind. What should they bring with them? Hmmm? And it wasn't one "boy" throwing rocks, it was a group of 4 or more. You have the stance that the Agents should use a less then sure method, and further risk life and limb to... protect the life of someone trying to cause them harm.

    Sorry, but you attempt to hurt/kill Law Enforcement, you earn a bullet.
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    Those who are stoned to death are rendered helpless and unable to defend themselves. Yes, it's a form of capital punishment, but one that the American officers were, in my opinion, more than able to avoid without shooting someone. The distance at which the rocks were thrown is apparently 10 meters (33 feet). Move back another 10 meters-- I don't care how good the person's arm is, it won't be easy to hit you. Easily avoided, nobody is dead.

    Yes, it's a bit ridiculous to suddenly start throwing rocks at armed officers, but it is just as ridiculous for that armed officer to pull out a gun and shoot in retaliation. I realize that there is a problem at the borders, but shooting a 15-year-old kid won't fix it.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That is for movies. Real Life you don't carry less then lethal equipment to deal with a group of people stupid enough to thrown stones at armed law enforcement officers. You throw rocks, you get shot. Simple, easy, safe for our people.
    Riot Police use rubber bullets... bean bags... Tear gas... flash bangs... especially when people are throwing rocks.

    I don't know if this guy over-reacted or not. There will be a use of lethal force review and they'll determine if it was warranted. It may have been. Let's wait and see.



    Or do you think our Agents should risk life and limb? Why do you hate them??
    No.

    And why do you make ridiculous "why do you hate them" statements anytime someone raises a legitimate question. Rock throwing does not automatically justify lethal force, any dummy knows that.

    I appreciate the boarder patrol and everything they do. For the most they conduct themselves in a professional manner.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by sparks View Post
    Those who are stoned to death are rendered helpless and unable to defend themselves. Yes, it's a form of capital punishment, but one that the American officers were, in my opinion, more than able to avoid without shooting someone. The distance at which the rocks were thrown is apparently 10 meters (33 feet). Move back another 10 meters-- I don't care how good the person's arm is, it won't be easy to hit you. Easily avoided, nobody is dead.

    Yes, it's a bit ridiculous to suddenly start throwing rocks at armed officers, but it is just as ridiculous for that armed officer to pull out a gun and shoot in retaliation. I realize that there is a problem at the borders, but shooting a 15-year-old kid won't fix it.
    And if the rock throwers move forward? Should they run away rather then shoot?

    No sorry, maybe next time some idiots think it would be a good idea to throw rocks, they'll think again. Or be removed from the gene pool as well.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The Agents were on bikes. The pedal powered kind. What should they bring with them? Hmmm? And it wasn't one "boy" throwing rocks, it was a group of 4 or more. You have the stance that the Agents should use a less then sure method, and further risk life and limb to... protect the life of someone trying to cause them harm.

    Sorry, but you attempt to hurt/kill Law Enforcement, you earn a bullet.
    Tear gas, bean bag round, taser all stuff you can carry on your person. They should of atleast tried a less than lethal method before shooting to kill. If they used their less than lethal methods, and the threat still existed, I have no problem with using lethal force. But they should not have gone straight to lethal force against someone who didn't have a firearm.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And if the rock throwers move forward? Should they run away rather then shoot?

    No sorry, maybe next time some idiots think it would be a good idea to throw rocks, they'll think again. Or be removed from the gene pool as well.
    Then they're forced to move forward into America, aren't they?

    Why not shoot him with a non-lethal projectile, as the person above mentioned? Or in the leg, as opposed to the head? It would send the same message, without an unnecessary death.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    I wonder what people on here would have said if a 15 year old american white kid threw stones at a Mexican Border patrol officer... and they had shot him.

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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Riot Police use rubber bullets... bean bags... Tear gas... flash bangs... especially when people are throwing rocks.

    You should read the article first. This was a bike patrol, they don't really carry a lot of "Anti-idiot" gear with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I don't know if this guy over-reacted or not. There will be a use of lethal force review and they'll determine if it was warranted. It may have been. Let's wait and see.
    T.J. Bonner, president of the union representing Border Patrol agents, said rock throwing aimed at Border Patrol agents are common and capable of causing serious injury.
    "It is a deadly force encounter, one that justifies the use of deadly force," Bonner said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    No.

    And why do you make ridiculous "why do you hate them" statements anytime someone raises a legitimate question. Rock throwing does not automatically justify lethal force, any dummy knows that.

    I appreciate the boarder patrol and everything they do. For the most they conduct themselves in a professional manner.
    I ask such in response to equally ridiculous comments like "They should have used less then lethal means", Yeah, cause Bike Patrols come loaded with all sorts of gear

    The officer that fired his weapon in self-defense also acted professionally.
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    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Tear gas, bean bag round, taser all stuff you can carry on your person. They should of atleast tried a less than lethal method before shooting to kill. If they used their less than lethal methods, and the threat still existed, I have no problem with using lethal force. But they should not have gone straight to lethal force against someone who didn't have a firearm.
    Bike Patrols travel light.

    Bean Bag rounds are for shotguns.

    Tasers require getting in the range of the rocks.


    You're just all upset a teen died. I'm not. He earned the bullet. If there was an error here it was that the officer missed. You aim for center mass, not head shots.
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