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Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

Tucker Case said:
This is getting more confusing than picking the right bathroom at a tranny convention.
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jallman said:
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Now it's slightly less confusing than picking the right bathroom at a tranny convention. :2razz:
 
Your Star said:
Lethal force isn't the appropriate response to rock throwing.
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Rocks can be lethal weapons too, you know. Throw a rock, and you will surely die - That ought to be the message here, and it looks like that message has been sent, loud and clear. Let that be a warning to other would be rock throwers who would like to live.
 
Tucker Case said:
I really failed to understand all that. :lol: :mrgreen:
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I'll translate:

I have a PC, son has an old MAC. Warcraft III runs on both... I'm trying to get them to talk to each other so we can have a LAN match cause he's talking smack.

Just for the record, I beat the snot out of him. Damn uppity 11 year olds. ;) (he really WAS smack talking, humility is a lesson parents must teach)
 
Tucker Case said:
Now it's slightly less confusing than picking the right bathroom at a tranny convention. :2razz:
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Why would it be hard to pick the right bathroom at a transmission convention? :confused:
 
Redress said:
Nerd...

I should mention the beta I am in and make MrV all jealous...
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I get no jealousy about Beta's. I beta AO, WAR, C&C Generals, EQII, CoH, LOTR...

I'm beyond Beta's now.
 
MrVicchio said:
I get no jealousy about Beta's. I beta AO, WAR, C&C Generals, EQII, CoH, LOTR...

I'm beyond Beta's now.
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Oh, but what is the biggest release of the year going to be...
 
Tucker Case said:
I admit mistakes all the time. I also have teh fortitude to actually apologize for making them, especialy if they involve an accusation.
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And I did apologize.

Please, deny it again but do some form of research before you do.

False. My initial post was:
As you can see, the argument involved them being on the Mexican side of the border from the very start. I don't consider rocks thrown at a distance of greater than 20 feet to be a legitimate weapon to warrant lethal force. But I do allow for the caveat that Lethal force is warranted if the perosn is on the US side of the border, due to the fact that this is well-within the Border Guards jurisdiction.
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Wrong again. Your post:

Just because we failed to react to those situations correctly, doesn't mean they shouldn't react to ours correctly.
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We failed in no way. What our people did was legal and lawful and nowhere in his post of yours do you talk about what side of the border they were on.

Please be more thorough in researching your own words in the future.

The clarification about being able to shoot over the border came here (which is the third of fourth post by me in that thread):
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I again point you do your own words where you never mentioned the border:

Just because we failed to react to those situations correctly, doesn't mean they shouldn't react to ours correctly.
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Not a word on the border whatseoever in that post. You really need to re read your own posts.

Clearly I was never arguing anything but what I have said I was arguing the whole time. Nothing has changed in my stance.
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Of course you were. You argued the actions taken were incorrect when its already been proven they were perfectly lawful.

As you can see, the only person lying is you. You are lying about understanding my argument, and you are lying in how you are portraying that argument. Nothing I have said has been proven wrong.
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If you wish to disregard the facts in front of you that is your right of course.

You have been refuted on all your "arguments"

Your claim we failed to react correctly: False claim. Its been proven that the actions were lawful based on other lawful cases of rock attacks.

You then claimed a rock is equal in deadly force to a newspaper. False claim. And why you held onto it was really amazing

Then your claim about what side of the border matters. False claim. As Mr V points out there is nothing illegal about the actions taken according to our own law.

You have been refuted on all counts.

Me admitting errror just last week:
When someone actually proves me wrong, I am totally willing to admit error. I would even be willing to wager that I have done this far mroe often than you have.
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Oh I full and freely admit you have been wrong more often than I have.

My contention is that your admission of error was merely a prevetantaive measure to keep me form pointing out the error, which you could do nothing to dodge. You still haven't admitted the error that exists in the attacks on my credibility. That can only be admitted through an apology directly tro me for your unfounded accusations.
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The apology was given. Please do not lie and claim it hasn't been delivered again.

By teh way, on the "character" accusation, allow me to add into evidence an apology that I have offered to others due to an error made by me:
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LOL Is this some sort of apology debate? I've apologized to plenty of folks as well when I've been wrong.

As I thought about my error in that thread, it occured to me that it might have caused offense to otehrs. I added the apology as an additional aspect due to the fact that I felt guilty over the offense that my error may have caused. It may not have been absolutey necessary in that case, for I made no accusations, but I offered it anyway because I felt it was the right thing to do in that case.
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If character did matter to you you would not have attacked me for admitting my mistake in confusing the two threads.

What I did not do was compound the error by repeating it. i.e. Your accusations against me earlier for having "deleted" posts was as unfounded as your accusations now about my character. I do not expect you to have the character to apologize for either of these accusations, but I would be pelasently surprised if you did display that degree of character.
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Again I have already apologized. If you cannot find it in your ability to be honest, that isn't my conscern.

But you have been refuted multiple times on multiple different points you have made and still you cannot admit it. That does speak for itself.
 
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jallman said:
I don't know why anyone even bothers when you get like this.
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If you are going to be foolish enough to defend Tucker in this, explain how he is right on this issue of the law and how the border patrol agent reacted.

Go ahead.
 
texmaster said:
If you are going to be foolish enough to defend Tucker in this, explain how he is right on this issue of the law and how the border patrol agent reacted.

Go ahead.
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I have absolutely zero interest in carrying on with your foolishness. I attempted to engage MrV because I think rather highly of him. I have no such motivation where you are concerned; since interacting with you on a number of occasions, I am bereft of any doubt that this obtuse farce you are playing out is your M.O.
 
jallman said:
I have absolutely zero interest in carrying on with your foolishness.
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Didn't think so. Thanks for that.

I attempted to engage MrV because I think rather highly of him. I have no such motivation where you are concerned; since interacting with you on a number of occasions, I am bereft of any doubt that this obtuse farce you are playing out is your M.O.
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No need to get all butthurt about it. (great sig)

Next time just say: I don't want to defend the argument, just take my shots and leave.
 
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Redress said:
Oh, but what is the biggest release of the year going to be...
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Since my gaming rig died, and my $$ don't let me afford a new rig... I'm stuck with older games and not caring about the new ones. (Gee, lemme guess, WoW: Cataclysm?)
 
texmaster said:
And I did apologize.

Please, deny it again but do some form of research before you do.
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OK, I did my research and searched for the terms "apologize", "sorry", "apologies" in this thrad and haven't found any sort of apology from you. Perhaps I am in error on this. Could you please direct me to the exact post in which you apologized to me for making such unfounded accusations about me?

Wrong again. Your post:
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And what was I responding to there? Please be specific. (Hint: it was about crossingthe border)

We failed in no way. What our people did was legal and lawful and nowhere in his post of yours do you talk about what side of the border they were on.
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We failed to act against the Mexican military crossing our border. Agian, this is clear when one actuallyunderstands what was said and in what context.

Please be more thorough in researching your own words in the future.
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Please be more thorough in researching my words, becuase the above was major fail.



I again point you do your own words where you never mentioned the border:
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Repeating the same error doesn't make it less erroneous.


Not a word on the border whatseoever in that post. You really need to re read your own posts.
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:lol: Wow, three times on the same error in one post.

Of course you were. You argued the actions taken were incorrect when its already been proven they were perfectly lawful.
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Nothing of the sort has been proven

If you wish to disregard the facts in front of you that is your right of course.
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Irony. you has it.

You have been refuted on all your "arguments"
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Again, until you understand the arguemtns, you cannot make this claim.

Your claim we failed to react correctly: False claim. Its been proven that the actions were lawful based on other lawful cases of rock attacks.
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Jesus christ. When I said we failed to react correctly, I was not refering to this instance. I was refering to Mexican Helicopters in US airspace not being shot down. Is your debate strategy a matter of bludgeoning a person into submission via made-up bull****?

You then claimed a rock is equal in deadly force to a newspaper. False claim. And why you held onto it was really amazing
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I actually said lethality was dictated by multiple factors. You responded by asking a question about density (which is irrelevent to lethality) and bulk density (which relates topowdered or granulated solids, so unless we're comparing sand to table salt, it is also completely irrelvent, but I did get quite the chuckle out of that particular question.)

Then your claim about what side of the border matters. False claim. As Mr V points out there is nothing illegal about the actions taken according to our own law.
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That has yet to be determined.

You have been refuted on all counts.
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I've been refuted on no counts.

Oh I full and freely admit you have been wrong more often than I have.
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:lol: And Mary Poppins ****s leprechauns in the ass with a strap-on while riding a Unicorn getting blown by a man-bear-pig.

In other words, that's one ****ed up fairy tale right there.


The apology was given. Please do not lie and claim it hasn't been delivered again.
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Please direct me to where the apology was offered to me.

LOL Is this some sort of apology debate? I've apologized to plenty of folks as well when I've been wrong.
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Please provide an example.

If character did matter to you you would not have attacked me for admitting my mistake in confusing the two threads.
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You made an error, and admitted that error. Bully for you. Had you just made an error, that would be one thing, but you xcompounded that error by making accusations about my integrity that were based on your own error. To my knowledge, at no point have you tried to rectify this compounded error by apologizing fort your attacks on my integrity which were actually a product of your error.



Again I have already apologized. If you cannot find it in your ability to be honest, that isn't my conscern.
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If you did, please provide the post #. I have not seen it, anor has a search of apology terms used in this thread yeilded any evidence of said apology.

But you have been refuted multiple times on multiple different points you have made and still you cannot admit it. That does speak for itself.
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I haven't been refuted. I've been proven correct by the fact that just about everybody else has actually understood my position and has agreed that it has not changed at any time.
 
texmaster apologized in the Basement. Due to the Vegas Rule, it cannot be posted here.
 
texmaster said:
Didn't think so. Thanks for that.



No need to get all butthurt about it. (great sig)

Next time just say: I don't want to defend the argument, just take my shots and leave.
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Except that if you bothered to read rather than crap up the forum with your baseless bloviations, you would see that I have defended my position against other posters of some merit to this forum. You just happen to not be able to count yourself among that number.
 
MrVicchio said:
Since my gaming rig died, and my $$ don't let me afford a new rig... I'm stuck with older games and not caring about the new ones. (Gee, lemme guess, WoW: Cataclysm?)
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Now that would make me jealous.
 
MrVicchio said:
Since my gaming rig died, and my $$ don't let me afford a new rig... I'm stuck with older games and not caring about the new ones. (Gee, lemme guess, WoW: Cataclysm?)
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Right company, wrong game.
 
jallman said:
Now that would make me jealous.
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WHY???

Have you ever actually like, leveled in a Beta? It blows monkey chunks. When you finally go live... you start over, and it's slower. Nah, I'm over the Beta thing.
 
MrVicchio said:
WHY???

Have you ever actually like, leveled in a Beta? It blows monkey chunks. When you finally go live... you start over, and it's slower. Nah, I'm over the Beta thing.
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MMO beta's suck. You get to learn your way around a bit, get ignored by the devs, and that is about it. Oh, you are bored with the content already when it is released.

And it might be time to move this discussion elsewhere.
 
jallman said:
Don't hand me your idiotic "ignorant liberal idealogies" rant as if it has some kind of partisan relevance to your defense of using lethal force against nonlethal resistance from across a border. I don't give a good goddamn if you are a cop or not...the fact that you are should leave you in a position of knowing better than to advocate lethal force used in this situation. This isn't about conservative or liberal. This is about excessive use of force against a civilian.
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Okay.

A buddy of mine was nearly killed by a flashlight.

The liberal media would make a huge issue of it had we shot him. Which we would have been legally allowed to do. As, If I it someone in the head with my flashlight or baton, it is considered lethal force.

When it comes to non-firearm weapons, the public, you included, are clueless as to how lethal certain objects can be. That, and the media just loves to under-report the threat of the item in the manner it is used, well, as long as the police aren't using it that is. Because If I was beating someone with a flashlight in the head, you damn well better believe the media would report it as a serious incident of a rogue cop trying to kill someone. Hell, that would happen if I went to hit a guy in the common peronial nerve and the idiot stuck his head down there in the middle of my swing and I wasn't able to adjust fast enough and he got struck.


So, you disagree with the Border Patrol, U.S. Department of Justice, etc that rocks can be considered lethal weapons.

Too ****ing Bad. You are wrong.
 
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