Page 11 of 36 FirstFirst ... 91011121321 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 110 of 352

Thread: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

  1. #101
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I didn't realize they had already concluded the use of lethal force review and ruled the shooting justified. Do you have link for that?

    Police enforce social order through the legitimized use of force. Use of force describes the "amount of effort required by police to compel compliance by an unwilling subject" [1]. The levels, or continuum, of force police use include basic verbal and physical restraint, less-lethal force and lethal force.
    The amount of force police use should be the minimum amount needed to eliminate the threat presented, thereby minimizing the risk and severity of any injury that may occur.
    Police should also:
    Ensure that those injured receive medical aid.
    Ensure that the family of any injured person is notified.
    Officers receive guidance from their individual agencies, but no universal set of rules governs when officers should use force and how much.
    The level of force an officer uses will vary based on the situation. Because of this variation, guidelines for the use of force are based on many factors, including:
    The police department's experience.
    Federal and state mandates.
    Available law enforcement technologies.
    The complex relationships that may exist between the police and citizens in a given jurisdiction.
    Excessive use of force is rare [2].
    The frequency of police use of force events that may be defined as justified or excessive is difficult to estimate [3].

    Police Use of Force | National Institute of Justice

    I suspect they would be cleared of any excessive use of force in this.


    j-mac
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  2. #102
    Goddess of Bacon

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Charlottesville, VA
    Last Seen
    05-28-12 @ 09:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    13,988

    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Wow, those were some pretty ****ing stupid kids.

    People keep saying, "He was only 15!". How is that really relevant? A threat is a threat. And a 15 yr is just as capable of killing someone as an 18 yr old is.

  3. #103
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,740

    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Wow, those were some pretty ****ing stupid kids.

    People keep saying, "He was only 15!". How is that really relevant? A threat is a threat. And a 15 yr is just as capable of killing someone as an 18 yr old is.



    I bet he wont be throwing rocks at border patrol again. oh wait.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

  4. #104
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    That is what we were trained to do in the Coast Guard...
    I think any branch of the military they trian you to aim center mass.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  5. #105
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,740

    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think any branch of the military they trian you to aim center mass.



    center mass, failure drills, NSR's, it all depends on the scenario, but yeah, usually its a hammer to the chest.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

  6. #106
    King Of The Dog Pound
    Black Dog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    South Florida
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    34,529

    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Kid was a dumb ass. You don't throw rocks at police.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

  7. #107
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Zyphlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    NoMoAuchie
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    47,998

    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Ever heard of less than lethal?
    Yep. However a tazer has limited range so may not have been useful in this situation. The guy was a bike cop so they are not likely carrying a shotgun so no bean bags. Tear Gas to my understanding is not standard issue. A baton or asp would again, like the tazer, require close range. Ditto for pepper spray.

    The kid made his bed, he's got to sleep in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by sparks View Post
    Why not shoot him with a non-lethal projectile, as the person above mentioned? Or in the leg, as opposed to the head? It would send the same message, without an unnecessary death.
    Shooting to wound is against the rules for Law Enforcement in the U.S. and could them not only fired but I believe possibly jailed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    OH btw... any warning shots fired?
    Warning Shots are against protocol and again could have gotten the officer into major trouble.

    Also, while yes "Stoning" as its commonly known does typically have a defenseless target. That said, stones can still kill with a hit to the head on a singular throw. A lot of it would depend on the size. Is he chucking jagged baseball sized stones? Golf ball sized? Pepples? Softball sized? etc. I'd agree with people thinking it was excessive if he was having gravel sized pebbles that are no bigger than my finger nail thrown at him. However I'd have unquestionably shot the guy too if they were hurling multiple baseball sized jagged stones at my head in that situation.

  8. #108
    Sage
    ric27's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    06-15-17 @ 02:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,539

    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    I believe in Texas...When serious bodly injury can occur, one may use deadly force. A simple srcewdriver, a scissor, a pointed stick...and yeah, a rock. Things that are potentially deadly

    Rocks equate to deadly force and justifies a lethal response. Period

  9. #109
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Naperville, IL
    Last Seen
    09-24-12 @ 02:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    11,963

    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I suspect they would be cleared of any excessive use of force in this.


    j-mac
    I hope they do.

    Keep us posted.

  10. #110
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Naperville, IL
    Last Seen
    09-24-12 @ 02:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    11,963

    Re: Mexico teen killed by US Border Patrol, anger high

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You're trying to compare immigration laws to Jim Crow laws?
    They're no where near the same scope, that's for sure.
    SCOTUS will likely have the finally say on that. (the AZ law)

Page 11 of 36 FirstFirst ... 91011121321 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •